The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast
The Arterburn Radio Transmission is a blend of cutting edge commentary, fused with guests who are the newsmakers and trailblazers of our time. Your host Tony Arterburn is a former Army paratrooper, entrepreneur, and historian. Tony brings his unique perspective to the issues facing our country, civilization, and planet.
The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast
#35 Paratruther - The Port Arthur Rabbit hole with Dani Mercy
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Paratruther. I'm your host, tony Arterburn. This is episode 35, and it's a special episode because we're actually doing a swap cast with our guest, a very special guest. We've been trying to put this episode together for the last month or so. I've been on her show and I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed our friendship, and Wise Wolf sponsors her magnificent program and we're going to introduce her in just a second, but before I do I want to make sure that I acknowledge Mr Anderson and his brain. Thank you for coming back to your own show, sir.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me and thanks for coming, Danny. I'm looking forward to this. Thanks See, now you're introducing Danny.
Speaker 1:That's my job. You did it first, did I Did. I say Danny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you did, yeah, you did, I'm just piling on.
Speaker 1:You're just piling on, so it's supposed to be a big reveal. That's the way it's supposed to go. I'm in sunny California, the time change. I don't even know what time it is. I don't maybe not even sure what year it is anymore. They changed the time. I'm two hours off and Beans the Brave is sitting behind me supporting me, so we're going to have a great show. But Danny Mercy of the Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Theories podcast, welcome to Paratrooper. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3:Thanks for having me. I'm really excited. We have been working on getting this episode together for a while now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you say that we really have, and it's been at least twice, and then rescheduled, and then I think Dani was going to give up on us and I convinced her not to.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised you didn't I really am, I would have.
Speaker 1:I'm a very patient person she I really am. I would have.
Speaker 2:I'm a very patient person. She showed us mercy. We've had breakfast. It's her name. It's her last name.
Speaker 1:It's only because I bought her breakfast in Branson, that she's stuck around and she's decided to give us a 17th chance. So thank you for your patience, dan.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think that it's been tough. It's hard to schedule like around everybody's schedules.
Speaker 1:And so we just we make it work. You know, well, that's right. I mean, um, mr anderson's my co-host and I don't want to not do the show without him. We got to line it up with him and you and me and uh, so I'm actually on the road, but we're making this happen. We have a great show.
Speaker 1:Uh, your research. I want to just say you know, this is a a pleasure to have you, because I, because I've dug into your shows and your content and your story and it's hard work and I know what you're doing. It's you're not phoning it in, you're actually doing the. You know the heavy lifting and I appreciate that, especially in the realm of alternative media where we are today, where a lot of people, you know, look, they phone it in. So I appreciate you being here and your research and all the topics. So let's dive in. We wanted to cover the Fort Arthur massacre and a lot of people you know for the background. I know what it is because of the. You know late 90s and gun control and all the stuff that surrounds that in Australia. But yeah, I want to save it for you know, save what my opinions are for a little bit later.
Speaker 3:But let's dig into that. Okay, tell me about the.
Speaker 1:Port Arthur Massacre.
Speaker 3:So the Port Arthur Massacre is what caused gun control in Australia. Like there's the. It's like the one thing that you're like, you can point to and be like. That's why the Australian gun laws are the way they are now. So this all happened. I have on my podcast. I did a two-part episode on this, or two episodes deep in the history, but over here we don't have enough time to get into everything that I did over there. So I'm going to kind of give you a brief snapshot of just what the massacre was before we dive into, like, all the conspiracies behind it.
Speaker 3:So on the morning of sunday, april 28th 1996, martin bryant, who was the suspected shooter, was awoken by his alarm clock at 6 am. So that's what his girlfriend told the police, which which is completely unlike him, because Martin never used an alarm clock. So a little bit of backstory on Martin. He is 29 at this time. He has never had a girlfriend before. He had a hard time making friends because his IQ is really really low. He has an IQ of like 66. He is on like a disability check. He they thought maybe he had schizophrenia. What we know now is that he is autistic and pretty, extremely autistic. I don't think that they had like the scale and like they're like, oh, he's on the autism autism spectrum, like they didn't say all that, they just said, like this guy's slow, like he's mentally handicapped, is what they kept saying.
Speaker 3:And so he became really good friends with um, this lady who was like this heiress to the lottery in Tasmania, and she died. When she died, which that whole, her death is really suspicious. But when she died she left everything to Martin, everything that she owned. So he inherited like almost like a little over a million dollars in today's money and like three estates. And then a little while later, not too far after that, his dad committed suicide, which again another really suspicious death, and then Martin inherited a bunch of money from him too.
Speaker 3:So Martin's very well off, he doesn't have to work. Plus, he gets a disability check, so he's not working. So this guy never wakes up to an alarm clock. He gets a disability check, so he's not working. So this guy never wakes up to an alarm clock. And what I thought was weird is that he even had a girlfriend, because they point a lot of times they're like, well, this guy's a loner, he doesn't have a girlfriend, he doesn't have friends, he doesn't have like, nobody loves him, so he wants to commit this mass shooting, and that's why and wasn't her name petra or something like that, not like the petra dollar, but I think it was petra yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3:Definitely Not like the Petra dollar but I think it was Petra.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something like that Definitely started with a P. But I thought it was funny when I saw a video of her in an interview, kind of describing him as a person and she and all these other children who kind of knew him on the outskirts of where he lived said he was very kind and gentle, like he didn't come across as this person something like this later. Um yeah, but I I think he maybe gained a little bit of confidence when he uh, you know, inherited all that money.
Speaker 3:It said he traveled a lot like he's just starting 14 countries or something like that well, he went to a bunch of countries and he traveled a lot inside australia as well. He was like just going everywhere and he took up surfing right.
Speaker 2:He was like doing whatever he wanted to do because that's what he had money right, but I I do, I know you um said there are more details, that kind of you know muddy the story. But I think it was kind of interesting and how helen harvey that harris died because, if yes or correctly, he started. He was basically um receiving money because he was unable to work, because his iq was 66, which is like two standard deviations below the mean in australia to put that into perspective. But he started doing, you know, handyman jobs, like yard work. So he started working on the estate of Helen and her mother was alive at the time and they had something like 50 cats in a garage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they had 44 cats in their garage and 20 something dogs in the house.
Speaker 2:Right, and so he first met them when he was like 19. So he knew her for a long time. But because he was autistic but not diagnosed as the time as being autistic he would do impulsive things and one of those was if someone was in the car with him and he was in the passenger seat, he would grab the wheel. So when Helen died, um, what I saw was he was actually in the car with her and the suspicion is he grabbed the wheel and she went head on to incoming traffic and she died and he was hospitalized for like seven months because he was in the car.
Speaker 3:So and you know what he told the police because there's two dogs in the car as well. He was like oh, it was just one of the dogs came up here and, like, caused her to get into this car accident, but he had actually caused her to get into a car accident prior to the one that killed her. Okay, like. So this is. There's like a pattern of him grabbing the wheel and causing her like at one point she went off into a ditch. This in this instance, she got into a head-on collision and, like he was seriously injured and she died, and I think both the dogs died too.
Speaker 2:But he was like oh, it was the dogs yeah, at what point do the dogs come in the front seat and he go in the back seat?
Speaker 3:no, he, I think I think he was pointing to like the dogs coming up and distracting her and he was still in the passenger seat but like they, they caused the distraction that caused her to veer into traffic yeah, I was just saying I would have put him in the back seat after the first altercation, right yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm still stuck on the 66 IQ.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean that is.
Speaker 1:If you know anything about intelligence quotient that's way down. He's like the Forrest Gump of mass shooters, then I mean way below Forrest Gump.
Speaker 2:He wasn't a bad-looking guy, though, no he wasn't yeah. So I think people might have gravitated towards him or, I don't know, allowed him a little bit of a longer leash for being odd, because he wasn't bad to look at, and maybe that's what drew helen in in the beginning.
Speaker 3:But I think she was lonely because she had him living in her house like pretty quick, like he started doing yard work there and then she was like move on in, and his parents were like yeah, that's fine, move on in there. It was very odd. Like the whole situation between him and helen was very strange, right. So I don't know, I don't know what caused them to get so close so quickly. But helen, even before she died though, she was spending most of her money and most of her time, or all of her time, with martin, and she was spending most of her money on martin too. Like they were going shopping, they were like they were out and about constantly I read, they purchased 30 cars yeah, in like three years, yeah, you kept wrecking them.
Speaker 2:Really like the wheel on this one, helen, yeah it was crazy.
Speaker 1:Like. This isn't related, but have you ever seen the plot to Stephen King's the Lawnmower man?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, A long time ago Sounds really familiar.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously the enhancement that the guy gets, and that means Stephen King, but it's the yard worker and you know it just kind of goes and he's like way below normal intelligence quotient.
Speaker 2:And then, just like Sling Blade, Billy Bob Thornton Well.
Speaker 3:Martin's dad bought him all the yard work, like all the equipment, to go do yard work, because that was the only thing that Martin actually showed any interest in. And then his dad's like, well, you have to make some money somehow. So he told him, just go door to door and offer people to take care of their yards. Right, and that's what he did. That's how he made money. But I don't think it was really necessarily to make money, because his parents were still supporting him and he was getting his check. I think it was more like get out of the house and go do something that a normal human would do, because they didn't know how to deal with him.
Speaker 3:They were just just like doing the best.
Speaker 2:Right. So he was doing these extracurricular activities while receiving the disability pension and I'd read he'd been expelled from school. But what point was the break in your research? Where you know they kind of framed it to where you could go from this Forrest Gump-esque type of person who was just not very smart type of person who was just not very smart but maybe not capable of doing something like murdering 35 people, to framing the story to where this guy is a murderer and he premeditated this murder.
Speaker 3:so see, I didn't find that. That's the thing that I didn't like actually find. Like I found, okay, there was a couple things. So martin's dad and I can't remember his name for the life of me, maurice, yeah.
Speaker 3:Maurice. So he wanted to buy this little cottage called Seascape, and Seascape is like a huge point in this story. So he wanted to buy this cottage but he needed to get some more capital. So he was like, I'm going to hold off, I'm going to buy this cottage. Well, then a couple other people David and Noella, I think is her name the martins their last name is martin, right. So the martins came in and they were old people. They bought. They bought the seascape instead. I don't think they bought it out from below, out from maurice. I think that maurice was like holding off because he needed to get more capital.
Speaker 3:And then, after that, maurice committed suicide, although I'm not convinced that he, I don't know, maybe he committed suicide, maybe he didn't. The whole situation behind his death is also very shady, where, like he was on, he was on antidepressants and he had transferred all of his funds to his wife, which is why they're like, oh, he committed suicide, but I don't know, because he was living. After helen died, he went to live in her mansion with Martin. So the two of them are living in the mansion. Then the neighbor comes over to talk to Maurice and he finds this note on the doors like call the police. I'm like help me, call the police. And so they call the police this whole time Martin's like acting totally normal. But it could just be because he's mentally disabled, so like maybe he didn't know, or like like the the pieces didn't click, that he something's wrong like his dad, something's wrong with his dad, right? So this neighbor?
Speaker 3:came over and they, they started searching the property. They didn't find him. So finally they got, like some, some divers, out and they started looking in the ponds and they found him in the pond with like a weighted diving vest on and that was where he was dead.
Speaker 2:Got it. Yeah, the details are a little murky for me too about how this guy is portrayed. So that's what I found that he was angry at these two, this couple that bought that place because they thought he believed it led to his dad's depression and suicide. Right, Because he was very led to his dad's depression and suicide. Right, Because he was very eager to purchase this property. Um, but the other things in his backstory it said he was expelled from school when he was really young. It said he was bullied a lot, which you know makes sense, unfortunately. But it also said that, um, he had these bouts where he tortured small animals and I said, okay, maybe he did that. But then he lived with Helen at her estate where there are lots of animals, and I didn't hear about him torturing any of them, not one of those animals.
Speaker 2:Add up to me.
Speaker 3:And even like he had this favorite pig and that pig slept with him in his room every single night. So like I don't know where, like where did you go from like torturing small animals to like caring for this older lady and caring for all of these animals that she has, and like taking decent care of yourself, like obviously he was taking care of himself too, because he was living there? Like I think that the official story points to and they actually say and any, any research you find like the official research, right?
Speaker 3:they say well, maurice told martin often how he was very upset that the martins bought the seascape out from underneath, out from under him right but then, like the martins, it seemed like when he, when martin bryant, talked about the martins that bought the seascape, he talked highly of them, he liked them. So then it makes you wonder, is that part just made up?
Speaker 2:It's hard to tell which parts are, but the sum total of everything that ended up happening you hit it right on the head was John Howard, who was the PM at the time, was able to pass this National Firearms Implementation Act that led to unlicensing gun registration and gun buyback. I think it was something like six hundred and sixty, yeah, Sixty thousand. I want it to be six hundred and sixty six thousand, but it wasn't. But there was all this talk beforehand. There was one guy who was a New South Wales premier named Barry Unsworth and he was on quote saying in the late 80s there will never be uniform gun laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania.
Speaker 3:Because Tasmania had the least strict gun laws in Australia. Right least strict gun laws in australia, right? So that's the, that's like the state I don't know if they call them states or territory that's the territory that needed the massacre to happen, because they needed the, the gun laws, to come from the like, you know, to make them strict everywhere, from the least strict territory right and and where it happened, in Port Arthur.
Speaker 2:There's something like only 250 people there. It's not a big town so it's not like a densely populated territory, but it seemed like it was the holdout.
Speaker 3:It's a tourist attraction. The Port Arthur Historic Site is a tourist attraction.
Speaker 2:Right and I was reading and I was curious if you could take it from here that there were like some odd synchronicities that day in Port Arthur with things going on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do you want me to go over the whole massacre first, so I can give you a breakdown of all of Martin's movements before? The actual massacre.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that'd be great. So let's start there. So he woke up right to this alarm at like 6 am and then he and his girlfriend who I think this girlfriend was planted from the beginning I don't think, because she's only been with him for two months and then she completely disappears after the massacre, like gone, and she has some pretty important things to say about the bag that he supposedly packed his guns into, that he like I've never seen that bag in my life and she's like no, I was with him when he bought it. So anyway, so she's with him. They have breakfast. Then she leaves. He grabs this bag some say it's blue, some say it's green. Either way, it's like the sports bag and he puts three guns into it.
Speaker 3:This is the story. He puts the guns in the backseat of his Volvo and then he leaves the house. So he apparently was heading to Seascape but he made like a bunch of stops on the way. So he first stopped at a gas station to buy a lighter and then he leaves that gas station. Then he goes to a different gas station and he buys about $15 in gas that he puts into a gas can. And then he also buys a coffee and he talks to the employees there while he's drinking his coffee, saying like I'm going to go surfing, that's where I'm headed, I'm going surfing.
Speaker 3:The employees actually remember this conversation with Martin Bryant being like that's weird, because the ocean's calm, it's not like a good surf day. They thought it was odd. What we'll find is, even in Martin Bryant's story he did stop and have coffee and talk to the employees about going surfing, so that one stop seems to make sense. But then allegedly he stopped one more time at a supermarket to buy a bottle of tomato sauce. I don't know why, but he put that in the backseat with his guns Right, very odd. Like they have this whole timeline where you're like okay, that's a copy is a catcher in the rye on the way.
Speaker 3:So then at about 1145, he arrives at seascape. So he forced his way into the building with his AR 15. He hit Noleneene there's a name, I thought it was noel, it's nolene um over the head with the stock of the gun that he had, and then he gagged david and stabbed him a bunch of times with not with the obviously he has this gun. He doesn't use the gun, he uses a kitchen knife that he found and stabs david a bunch and then eventually he kills Nalina as well. I don't know how they have it broken down to like what he did, because the transcripts of the interrogation makes no sense, but that's how they have it going.
Speaker 3:So while he was there, they say that a couple of guests actually showed up to tour the B&B and he kind of like ignored them at first and they were like no, like we really want to come in and see this, this B&B, and see if we like it. Then they started to get this like really weird feeling and then they left. I don't know if that couple was ever found, but that's what the story says, and that was at at about 1235. So then they say that Martinin arrived at port arthur at about 1 30 and he parked his yellow volvo over where the big buses park. So that day was a really beautiful day. It was like the end of april, the sun's out, so a lot of people came to port arthur. That day there was a lot of people came to Port.
Speaker 1:Arthur, that day there was a lot of people there.
Speaker 2:What day was it, danny? It was a Sunday.
Speaker 3:April 28th.
Speaker 2:It was actually. It's International Workers Memorial Day. That's the only weird day. I could find that lined up with the day, because I always try to do that. But yeah, when I heard someone describing how pretty the day was, they said it was a beautiful fall day. And I go wait a minute, oh yeah. Yeah, it's fall for them.
Speaker 3:It was a beautiful fall day and I go wait a minute. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's fall for them Same month as Columbine.
Speaker 3:Same month as Columbine, yeah, and the same month as Waco and OKC.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's Lexington and Concord. You know April 19th. There's all this lore surrounding April, and TS Elliott said that April is the cruelest month and there's something about it, they. They use it's hitler's birthday too, april 20th huh, that's very odd.
Speaker 3:I always think of april as being, like this, beautiful month. So I don't know, I guess, but it was april 28th, okay. So martin gets his bag of guns out of his car and he goes up to the broad arrow cafe. Mind you, years prior, I think I'm trying to think like two or three years prior to this he had been banned from the broad arrow cafe for shooting kids with a bb gun there. So like he used to cause trouble around this cafe and they were like you can't come back.
Speaker 3:So he walks into this cafe with his bag of guns, with like he's carrying on his shoulder, and he grabs some lunch. He goes outside on the patio, he sits down to have lunch. He's just sitting there having conversation, so he looks at some of the people that are also having lunch and he says something about there being a lot of wasps around, and so they didn't know if he was like talking about like actual wasps or if that was an acronym for white anglo-saxon protestants but they yeah, apparently that's an acronym, but he also had mentioned something about how there weren't very many japanese tourists that day, so that they're like maybe he was talking about the white people because he talked about the Japanese.
Speaker 3:I don't, anyway, they have no idea why he made this comment, but somebody one of the the people that was sitting next to him they were like, yeah, he made this odd comment, like he was talking to us. He was just eating his food. He seemed perfectly normal when, when he finished eating, he picks up his tray, he goes back into the, into the actual cafe, he puts his bag of guns on the table, he pulls out a gun and he starts shooting people. So within a matter of 90 seconds he murdered 20 people. He also injured 15 more people. Then he reloaded his gun and went and left the building. He was like cool, I'm, I'm done here, I'm going out.
Speaker 2:And these were like precision shots, right? Not only is it fast, but I mean this lady named Pauline Hanson, who's a Queensland Senator, who I guess fairly recently, like five years ago, there was a video on the Guardian of her being very skeptical of the official narrative and that was one of the things she emphasized.
Speaker 3:these were precision shots, like from professional well, and he had I mean it's 20 headshots and everyone that that lived that day. They said that he was shooting from the hip, from his right hip, which is important to know because he's left-handed. So this left-handed martin bryant is shooting 20 people in 90 seconds. Headshots from his hip.
Speaker 2:And I noticed that a lot of the people who are eyewitnesses, who are willing to make statements about it, said the person who was the shooter had long blonde hair, like Martin did. But also the face of the shooter was like pot marked and had acne.
Speaker 3:And many people said that wasn't martin people who had seen him before well, and they, they said that the shooter looks to be like in his like, 19 or 20 years old. Right, one person, one person put the shooter at the oldest 25. Well, martin's 29 and he looks 29, like the youngest. You could potentially, potentially say that Martin looks was like 27. So the oldest person saying he looks between 20 to 25. Everybody else saying that he looks to be late teens, early 20s, so 18 to 21 is about the age range that they're putting the shooter at. And the only thing that the shooter and Martin Bryan actually have in common is the blonde hair, and at the time Martin didn't have long blonde hair, he just had blonde hair, but the pictures that circulate are always of him with longer hair right.
Speaker 2:And then there's the matter of dna right, so he ate there. You know there should be plenty of dna fingerprints at the crime scene. Did they recover any?
Speaker 3:no, there's not one, nothing he. He touched things he's eaten there, even the shell casings from. Obviously he loaded all these bullets before he got there. Not, not a single fingerprint on any shell casing. Literally they found nothing. The only thing they had was the bag of guns that apparently he left in the cafe, except he also carried it out to his volvo when he left the cafe. Left in the cafe, except he also carried it out to his volvo when he left the cafe.
Speaker 2:So and then he stole a bmw right yeah, so when he left.
Speaker 3:So he went out to the um, to the parking lot, he killed four more people and injured six more people and then he left in his volvo. Then he gets to the toll booth where he basically there's like this bmw in his way so he kills all four people that are in that bmw, pulls them out of the bmw and he steals the bmw and leaves. And then they say that he goes to a gas station. He kind of like cuts off this toyota corolla inside is like a guy and his girlfriend. He goes to the girlfriend's side, opens the the door and the guy's like what are you doing, man? Like leave my girlfriend alone. Then he brandishes a firearm and gets the guy Greg or Gary, and puts Gary in the trunk of the BMW, like kidnaps Gary and then leaves. I think his name's Greg actually I'm getting my names all mixed up.
Speaker 2:There's a lot up.
Speaker 3:There's a lot. There's a lot of names, so Greg or Gary, whoever, whatever his actual name is, I have it in my notes. I just can't find it. It's not all organized how I would expect it to be.
Speaker 2:And that was his hostage.
Speaker 3:That was his hostage. And then after that he takes the BMW, with Greg in the trunk of the BMW, back to the seascape and that's where he like takes Greg. I guess he's like shooting at cars as they're passing by and these cars like pull over, they call the cops, um, and then he had that siege at seascape they had the siege at seascape Right.
Speaker 3:So he's in seascape for like 18 hours or something, until the next morning when they arrest him, because seascape burns to the ground the next morning. There's some weird things that happen at Seascape too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go into it, glenn.
Speaker 3:His name was Glenn. I knew I had it, poor Glenn. I thought he was Greg or Gary. I knew it was a G name. Does that count?
Speaker 1:It counts.
Speaker 3:The BMW catches on fire at some point. When Martin's interrogated about this, he's like I don't know, I must have caught it on fire. Everybody else speculates that like, oh, I don't know, there's like gas, like in a gas can. So maybe that caught on fire, maybe he lit that on fire? Well, one of the police officers that was there. So, first of all, this police officer gets to Seascape, basically right when Martin Bryant pulls up in the BMW.
Speaker 3:Mind you, nobody, not one person, has showed up at Port Arthur where there's an actual mass shooting happening. Nobody's gone there yet, not one police officer, not an ambulance. There's actually one of the victims or, like one of the spectators. She wasn't a spectator of this, she was just like there. She was just like there, she was just a tourist, she was a nurse. So she goes in and she starts administering whatever she can. Some people are dead. So she's like I can't deal with those people, these people that are injured. I'm going to try to keep them alive. So she's the only one, her and one other person that's helping her. They're alone at Port Arthur for like six hours before anybody shows up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the cops were somewhere else, right? Well, the cops had been called to the other side of the island right before the shooting started Like they called in that they were there, which is bizarre, and I was thinking, oh, it's 96. They probably didn't have cell phones, so they had to use a landline and call in that they had arrived. They were 50 kilometers away.
Speaker 3:Well, they had been called away because apparently they got this tip that there was like a heroin house on the other side of the island.
Speaker 2:They got there and turns out it was just soap right like powder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was all fake, so it was like set up and then all the um officials, all the the owners and the managers and all the official people of port arthur happened to be away that weekend like on some leadership retreat or something.
Speaker 2:It was the first one for the senior senior leaders of Port Arthur that they were something like two hours away and it started at one or one 30, like right when?
Speaker 3:yeah, right when the shooting started and the there was like a trauma seminar that was happening at the local hospital that got out right when the shooting started. So, like it's like they were ready.
Speaker 2:And then they have this morgue truck, this morgue truck that was built, purpose built right before this massacre and they said it was built for a massacre and held 22 bodies and this is a place again around 250 people and they purchased it right before and I think that at the trauma center, the hot spittle, where that clinic or whatever was going on, they had just implemented a new emergency trauma policy called Code Ground two days before, literally two days prior. Yeah, so all of this is weird stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they had these helicopters that were available. I guess the helicopters weren't typically available throughout the day, but they had helicopters and pilots just on standby that day. It's like very weird. So the thought is that somebody, like one of these helicopters, brought this police officer out to seascape to be there basically right when the siege was supposed to start, which, like, how would they have known that they needed to get there right when the siege was supposed to start? Which, like, how would they have known that they needed to get there? Because the people like martin was said to be shooting at cars passing by right before he went in to seascape. So, yes, they went and called the police, the police came no cops.
Speaker 2:Right, there's no cops.
Speaker 3:That's what I didn't understand drive from um, from like the local police station, 43 minutes to get to seascape and he shows up right on time this was kind of the missing piece.
Speaker 2:When I was doing quick research to prepare for the episode. I couldn't compute why this sergeant bob fielding was already there and how they knew how to come to seascape if the cops weren't there. And it just all was very strange and I was curious if they set the set the house on fire curious if they set the house on fire.
Speaker 3:I think they set the house on fire. They for sure set the BMW on fire because he says that he threw a phosphorus grenade and that's what set the BMW on fire.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Like after the fact, later on, after the official stories come out, they're like no, like I threw a grenade, that's what set it on fire. But what doesn't make sense is the timing, because he shows up at like 150, 155 ish and basically throws a grenade right away. So, like you, don't even have time to assess the situation or find out what's happening or who's if there's a hostage. You don't know. If there's a hostage, you don't know what's happening. You just got there and threw a grenade and then three more guys got there before 2 pm yeah, you don't make any sense.
Speaker 2:You don't know if the martins are still inside, the owners or any of that. And I think he was on record, sergeant bob fielding, saying at the end of the day, I'm satisfied we made the right decision to forcing him to come to us. So that's why I thought that okay, they set the house on fire oh yeah um, but what do you think of all this, tony?
Speaker 1:I just keep getting hung up on the synchronicities of April. I went and looked at other mass shootings while you guys were talking. I wanted to try to place the South Korean mass shooter. Sure enough, it's April 16, 2007. It's Shang-Hoo Cho. That's so weird. You guys remember that? Virginia Tech 32 people. Oh, and Boston bombing, was that in?
Speaker 3:April.
Speaker 1:April 15th. It was well, the Boston bombing, but that's a whole other, and you should. I don't know if you've done that already.
Speaker 3:I haven't done it, but I'm going to.
Speaker 1:It's on my list If you're going to do first of all, if you've done that already. I haven't done it, but I'm going to. It's on my list If you, if you're going to do first of all, if you're going to do Boston bombing and I can make the introduction talk to my friend Charlie Robinson. He put it in his book the octopus of global control. There's a whole lot of. There's a rabbit hole inside a rabbit hole, because it's oh, and I believe it was 2013, and it was supposed to be a right-wing tax revolt, kind of false flaggy thing, and then it turned into the Sarnev brothers and all this stuff. That's just. It's a deep rabbit hole, but again April, so it just keeps showing up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's really odd.
Speaker 1:There's something about the overlay of April with all of this stuff.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, if you think about the months, I think the way the Bible has it set up, or the way the months are supposed to work, either March or April. One of those two I can't remember. I think it's April. It's supposed to actually be the first month, not the fourth month.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. Well, there's only supposed to be.
Speaker 1:I mean originally the calendar was ten months. That's why December is Deca and November is nine and October is Oct. For eight they added July and August are for the Roman emperors Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus.
Speaker 3:So I covered that 13 month episode, because I was like like 13 month calendar, because that makes sense for 13 months and for 10 months. So I don't know it goes different it's. It's really weird, but april's supposed to be like new beginnings, like you think about, like spring, like like a fresh start. It's supposed to be like new beginnings and instead we have all these mass massacres. So it's very odd.
Speaker 2:But before I cut you off, though you said, it gets weirder, danny Oh- it gets weirder.
Speaker 1:Keep getting into the weird yeah Okay.
Speaker 3:So we're at Seascape, right, there's a siege at Seascape. Well, then enters this guy named Jamie. So Jamie is what they? They basically are painting this character, jamie, as being Martin Bryant, held up in the seascape, trying to convince the officials that his name is Jamie to like, throw them off his scent. That's who Jamie is? I don't think Jamie. I don't think Martin. Okay, first of all, bryant was never even close to the seascape that day. I don't know how they got him there to arrest him, but I, he wasn't there.
Speaker 3:Jamie, from everything that I found, what jamie knew, jamie was another officer and he thought they were doing this like counter-terrorism exercise. So he was supposed to be the terrorist inside the building and all the cops, from what he understood, all the cops on the outside were running an exercise on how to deal with a situation like this, but he had been given a script. So when we ask you this, you say this. When we talk to you about this thing, you, you say this thing. So at one point they're like hey, man, what is your passport number? And jamie gives him the passport number of martin bryant, like, or the different part. He's like oh, I have this, um, I have this knife in here, the same knife that killed brian martin, and that knife later was said to be found actually in the other bag at the broad arrow cafe. So like things aren't adding up about the things that Jamie is saying, yeah, so what was this interview process?
Speaker 2:That's what I was a little hazy on. Like this Jamie was talking and the Sergeant was asking him how he was doing and he was like, oh, it's great, it's like I'm on a Hawaiian holiday. And the Sergeant was like I don't know what you mean by that, like it was not on script, and he said I don't know myself. Yeah, it just kept getting bizarre and I didn't understand what this exactly was.
Speaker 3:So in my research or in my episodes I didn't go deep into like each time he called, but Jamie kept calling the sergeant outside. Like he kept like he picked up the phone and was calling him outside and you're like, first of all, jamie, how did you have that sergeant's phone number? Secondly, like they're going back and forth talking about like all kinds of crazy things, where you're like none of this has anything to do with the actual siege or the massacre right.
Speaker 2:That's why I was confused.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like okay. So the sergeant never even asks Jamie, like, what's going on? Do you have a hostage in there? Like, why did you? Why are you here? Why are you held up at the seascape? At one point they do kind of mention Port Arthur and Jamie was like what happened at Port Arthur? He's like, oh, a bunch of people are hurt real bad, and he's like, are they dead? He was yeah, and he's like, oh, I didn't do that, that wasn't me. So, like it in on it. Like it sounds as if jamie has no idea what happened at port arthur, like no idea at all right and he's playing it off very well if he does just based I.
Speaker 2:I listened to some of it and there was like one interaction where jamie was telling the sergeant like one of your boys is outside with an infrared scope. He's going to shoot the main man. And I was just like what in the world? And then they mentioned that during this conversation the sergeant coughs like 20 times. But some people actually did some analysis of those audio captures and said that that sounds like gunfire. Actually it doesn't sound like coughing.
Speaker 3:So I was completely befuddled by what this this whole thing was well, and at some point, like you have jamie on the phone with the sergeant, you can hear gunfire in the background and he's like oh, that's rick. Like who's rick? Where did that guy come from? And then Rick was never brought up again and nobody asks about Rick and nobody talks about him. And Jamie just said it oh, that's Rick. And then that's it, like that's the end of the conversation.
Speaker 2:Right. So they really didn't dig into this very much because, from how I understood it, martin Bryant was held in solitary confinement for five months. He had one initial lawyer. He claimed he was not guilty of the 72 charges. Then they changed his lawyer and a few weeks after that he was guilty and the last time he was seen on camera he had this long blonde hair because apparently the Australian media broke a lot of law.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, can we talk about that for a second? Yeah, go for it. Okay. So you have these eyewitnesses, you have all these people that saw martin bryant at the broad arrow cafe the day of the massacre. A lot of these people are still in the hospital and it was like two days after the massacre they had not been able to give their statement to the police yet because they were in the hospital. They were recovering from their injuries.
Speaker 3:Well, the local newspaper posted a picture on the front page of the newspaper of Martin Bryant. They're like this is the guy that did it and published this guy's picture and so, which is completely illegal they're not allowed to publish until everybody's been talked to because it can change eyewitness accounts, and in fact it did for one lady. So not one person saw martin bryant and was like that's the guy that did it. Actually, everybody said no, the guy didn't look like that at all, so you don't have any eyewitnesses, two of which lived there and knew martin bryant personally. They were like yeah, it was not martin bryant. We had this one lady and she saw the photo lineup and she's like I don't know if that's the guy that did it because she was pointing at the picture of Martin Bryant. I don't know if he's the guy that did it, but he was for sure wearing that shirt. Well, the picture in the photo lineup that the police were using was the exact same picture that the newspaper had published just a couple weeks before.
Speaker 2:Right, and it was like a simulated photo lineup.
Speaker 2:Yeah before, right, and it was like a simulated photo lineup like 30 different people. But what I found odd is his hair was long. He does his last TV appearance and then, after he says guilty, so they issue that, they shave his head, they give him a crew cut, right, so they changed his appearance. They could have cut his hair at any time, so they were knowingly trying to implicate him with the hair and, yeah, it was just odd. And the other thing I felt really odd and I'd like to know your thoughts on is there was this idea that there should have been a coronial inquiry, like they should have done, like a deep, deep dive investigation into this, and a lot of the victims wanted them to, because it's required by law, yeah, and they ended up not doing it well they, it was like open and shut so quickly.
Speaker 3:I think he was on trial for like two or three weeks, like, but because he pled guilty, which he didn't want to, like you said he wanted to plead not guilty, but he was convinced by his court-appointed lawyer to plead guilty. Then that was it. Like that was the end, so they didn't do any deep dives into it. It was like, well, he said he's guilty and they just took it at that, like they didn't even try, right so. But yeah, like a lot of the victims and the families, they're like no, something is weird about this, like we should dig deeper, and at every turn they were shut down.
Speaker 2:Right and his, his mother, carlene Bryan, I think, even as recently as 2011,. She went on some some program and again urged that or insisted that he was innocent, but they really never looked into it. For they're ready to pin it on him and as soon as they could again. It took five months of solitary confinement, I guess, to get him to break of solitary confinement, um, I guess to get him to break.
Speaker 3:I don't know if jolly west the psychiatrist he's, since, I don't know, I don't think he went down there, but maybe his cousin did. I have some information about about that part, though, so you have this interrogation.
Speaker 3:so his interrogation like his, they only did one like official interrogation of mart of Martin Bryant and that was on July 4th. So it took what? Two months to get this interrogation. During this time the recording equipment kept malfunctioning so it wasn't recording and things were like bits and pieces were placed together At the end it wasn't like one full transcription of the actual interrogation, it was all bits and pieces and there a lot of the information that we needed from martin bryant, like the really critical stuff, was either inaudible or it's just said that he said like that's his whole answer.
Speaker 2:you're like wait a second. That's not an answer. Yeah, they're never curious about motivations with these things right? Well, they never found a motivation yeah, because they never really look. No, I mean it, it just seems all too perfect.
Speaker 1:Steven paddock yeah right, paddock las vegas well, why?
Speaker 2:well, we don't know. So we're moving on.
Speaker 3:And then, oh, case closed, he did it. So we're moving on. And then, oh, case closed, he did it.
Speaker 2:It's all too weird Again even that there was a guy named Roland Brown who was I think he was leader of the Coalition for Gun Control. He was on record in saying of March of 96. I wrote this down All Australians are warned that if the Tasmanian government doesn't implement proper firearm laws that a massacre of monumental, monumental proportions will occur. How do you explain these things?
Speaker 3:right well, in the fact that, like initially they were, they were reporting that one of the guns that he was using wasn't actually legal in tasmania, and so then, like a couple days, they actually changed which guns were used in the massacre. So that way, both the guns that they said that he used were legal in the state or the territory.
Speaker 2:What were they? What did they say?
Speaker 3:he used One was an AR-15 and the other one was a .308.
Speaker 2:Okay, so rifle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're both rifles. I'm trying to get down here to my yeah.
Speaker 2:So at first it was a colt ar semi-automatic ar-15 and then the other one was a belgian fn fal semi-automatic 308 self-loading rifle yeah, I mean just taking out 20 people in the matter of a minute and a half in a cafe and gift shop with headshots is just, but then they asked him during his interrogation.
Speaker 3:They're like okay, how did you shoot these people? So they got him on technicality at first. So at first he thought that he was there during the interrogation, he thought that he was there for one murder. And they're like what did you do with this guy? And he was like like he kind of made up a story with the information that they gave him.
Speaker 3:He was like, oh, I took him from the BMW and I put him in, like he, he said that the BMW was this guy's car and he put him in the trunk of the BMW and then basically like, beat him later, but he never killed him, he never said he killed him. And then later on they're like well, what about all these other people? And he was like oh, oh, I didn't do that, I would never hurt somebody. They're like well, you just told us that you hurt this one guy who you kidnapped. And he was like, okay, well, I guess I did hurt all those people, right. So they kind of got him on this technicality where he was like I don't, I'm backed into this corner. I guess I did it.
Speaker 2:But again iq of 66 right, he's, yeah.
Speaker 3:So he doesn't really know, like he just is believing they wouldn't lie to him. They're the officials, they're the authorities. Well, they ask him Martin, how did you kill everybody If you had a rifle, how did you do it? So he picks up this pretend rifle, this imaginary rifle, and he holds it up to his left shoulder because he's left-handed and he pretends to shoot. Martin Bryant has never, ever, he says. He claims he's never shot a gun from his hip in his entire life. This guy's left-handed. The shooter, by all accounts, has shot all these people from his hip, right-handed. So like what?
Speaker 3:It doesn't make any sense, Like literally none of it makes any sense. They never found any DNA evidence. The yellow Volvo because it was left out overnight with the windows open, so apparently there was no DNA in that car either, which was apparently Martin Bryant's daily driver. You think that they would find any kind of DNA or a fingerprint or something. It didn't find anything.
Speaker 2:That's what doesn't make sense to me. I mean, you can't even find fingerprints or dna at the cafe where he anywhere, supposedly ate, not at seascape, which seascape was burned to the ground.
Speaker 3:But then, okay, so seascape's burned to the ground and they say they found. They found his guns in an out building. How does that make any sense? You're telling me that he's held up in seascape with his guns, with a hostage, but then you find his guns in an outbuilding after Seascape burns down.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then not too long after all these gun laws pass in Australia.
Speaker 1:Right, I was about to say. The thing to remember here is the aftermath. Everything that happened afterwards points to the strangeness of all these events. They needed a catalyst and I kept thinking while you were talking about. You know about PNAC, the Project for a New American Century. You know all these forewarnings and other things.
Speaker 1:Like you know, pnac was September 2000, saying they needed a Pearl Harbor, a new Pearl Harbor, a Pearl Harbor style event in order to implement, you know, the rogue state rollback and all the seven countries in five years, all the stuff that you would see post 9-11 in America for the American foreign policy and gun control is no different. You need a catalyst and that was a. That was a huge, pivotal event is no different. You need a catalyst and that was a huge, pivotal event. I remember watching as a teenager this is late 90s watching all the guns being destroyed. These firearms have been in families for generations and after these gun laws were passed because, like hey, we got to protect the children. You see, are you a monster? Do you support mass shootings? You know that was the mindset in Australia. Just, you know, it was the first to go. It was like a test subject.
Speaker 3:Well, because they pointed Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, they pointed to this and I'm trying to get to it in my notes they pointed to the massacre that happened right before the Port Arthur massacre. It happened in Scotland, I believe. Sorry, I'm just trying to find it in my notes here. Okay, here it is. So March 13th 1996, so about five weeks before Port Arthur there was a massacre at Dunblane, which is in Stirling, scotland. So this is like a primary school where a 30 or a 43 year old man walked in, killed 16 students and a teacher, kind of like Sandy Hook right. And then after that the gun laws changed in the UK and that was the last massacre in the UK because the gun laws changed there. Well, what? Just five weeks later now we have this massacre in Australia and the gun laws changed there.
Speaker 2:So Right, and the thing that keeps bugging me when I think about it are all the coincidences. Again, this is a very small community.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then the first time they have an offsite workshop for senior port staff officials is the same day. It coincides with the same time this happens. It just it reminds me of the Murrah building, yeah Right, I mean. So they knew to get people out of there beforehand, that they didn't want to be adversely impacted by what was going to happen and that that just always to me it indicates some foreknowledge of what's going to happen and who's actually on the strings. So it doesn't make any sense, and we were discussing this offline before the show started. But I was just curious if he was on anything for the mental deficiencies he had, the autism which wasn't diagnosed at the time, but I couldn't find any medications he was on.
Speaker 3:So I couldn't find any either. And, like you said earlier, like I couldn't find any, I couldn't find like a breaking point. I couldn't find any either. And and, like you said earlier, like I couldn't find any, I couldn't find like a breaking point I couldn't find. And, honestly, like in all accounts, like his life was actually turning around. Because now he has this girlfriend, apparently, and she's been with him for two months, like obviously she's been with him enough and they've spent enough time together that she spends the night at his house and knows if he uses an alarm in the morning or not, and gave like witness, like evidence, eyewitness, accounts of him buying this bag, right, um, so he's got this, this girlfriend.
Speaker 3:He's got. He's got this new sport. He started taking up surfing and he was really enjoying that. He kind of had this routine in his life. He wasn't that mean of a guy, he was just like living his life, just doing his thing. It wasn't like there was no motive, there was no breaking point. I didn't find any medication. By all accounts, his life was actually turning around and was going up. So you think, like if this is a premeditated massacre, why would he not stop it? Because his life is now looking better?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I don't know. The story doesn't make sense either with the, you know, painting a picture of him like torturing animals and associating him with a serial killer behavior. Or yeah, psychopathy, right, don't stop doing that. No, if you're surrounded by animals like the, psychopathy doesn't get better, like it just continues, like there's more depravity it's degenerative.
Speaker 2:And that's that's really what gave me pause, because I was like okay, I can accept that he's a kid, he has these psychopathic tendencies. Okay, he's at this largest state, surrounded by animals. What happened?
Speaker 3:and it was nothing well and like they have him like being mean to all of his peers and like bullying his peers, and then he moves in with helen and him and helen are just like best buds, like yeah, okay, he's grabbed her steering wheel and he's you know. So he's having these outbursts, but it wasn't necessarily to kill her. I don't think he was like necessarily trying to kill her. I think that he just had outbursts because he was autistic. But like outside of the car they were going places, they were doing things, they were seen all over the place. They went to port arthur a lot. They went shopping a lot. They did all these different things together, totally normal, like he was living a normal decent life with a person like he was having a good relationship with. I don't know if it was like I don't know either.
Speaker 3:A sexual relationship? I don't know any of that. He was like 54. And he was 19.
Speaker 2:Like I said, he wasn't a bad looking guy either he's just IQ of 66.
Speaker 3:But their relationship was normal. He had a normal relationship with his mom and his dad.
Speaker 2:And his parents took good care of him, so like he has normal relationships in his life. Yeah, I heard a psychoanalyst kind of say that's something you typically look for is they had estranged relationships with their parents or came from a broken home, but he didn't.
Speaker 3:He didn't, and his parents like both loved him and his mom, so his mom was at the police station the whole time that this siege was going on and you have have this Jamie character calling the sergeant and not one time did they have his mom like listen in to make sure that that voice was her son's voice. Not one time did they put his mom on the phone to talk him off the ledge to get him out of the seascape. Like they have all these weird things where you're like what the heck? Or like like the girlfriend. The girlfriend went to him at Seascape during the siege and I mean she didn't help, she was just there.
Speaker 2:Right, it was odd. I mean she came when he inherited all this money and he was apparently dressing flashy to a point where it was absurd. But again, he wouldn't know that if he was on the spectrum to the point where he's like mildly retarded, you know what I mean almost. Um, he was dressing like flashy and like electric blue and had these weird I don't know what he liked yeah it's just what he liked.
Speaker 2:You mean you think of like somebody who has the intellectual capacity is like a child, basically, right, um, I remember that scene in big daddy when remember how to say what allows them to dress themselves like that's how you want to dress. Okay, right, but it didn't add up. But if I was playing devil's advocate I would say, okay, if he was a patsy and he was set up, why would they pick him? I mean, is he just kind of the? Uh, the outcast yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think that they, I think they like, because he had a disability check and he had to be. He was checking in regularly, he was getting re-evaluate, re-evaluated regularly. I think they had probably a list of people that were on that were kind of in the same situation. Right, these mentally handicapped people that they could use any of them who makes the most sense, who has the history that we can use the best? Well, now you have maurice, who was gonna buy the seascape but then didn't and then eventually committed suicide. Apparently. Right, you have all these. Uh, helen has died. Now you have all these different things in his life where you're like, well, you could point to this or you could point to that, maybe we could really use this. He, he had familiarity with port arthur, so like, okay, cool, that's gonna work out for us. Whereas like, just, maybe the other people didn't, maybe other people didn't weren't as independent as martin bryant was I, I mean the whole seascape thing.
Speaker 2:It's just a very at best flimsy theory oh maybe it makes more sense if you're talking about someone again who who has a very low IQ. It making sense to them, but does not make much sense to me at all. No, no To orchestrate this whole thing, and then again the body count 35, and then, I think, including himself, 24 others injured, one person whose neighbors didn't even know he owned guns because I guess he wasn't target practicing or doing any of that sort of stuff. It just, it doesn't add up to me.
Speaker 3:It doesn't add up. Literally nothing about it makes any sense, like even if you try, you try to put the official story together and you're like wait a second, why did he stop so many times at all these different gas stations? So in Martin's account of the day he's like yeah, I woke up, not to an alarm, I just woke up and I had breakfast. I left. I went to this one gas station which I didn't get coffee at the gas station part. I got coffee at the cafe part and I stood there. I talked to the employees, told them I was going surfing, and then I went surfing on the other side of the peninsula, then port arthur, and I saw a couple other people that were there.
Speaker 2:They were body surfing and then I went into this other town and had lunch yeah so, like his accounts are completely different, I don't it's a very leisurely day for planning to murder a bunch of people right, and then yeah, and then he's supposed to go kill a bunch of people yeah, I don't know. So where is he now? Do you know? Is he still? He's still in solitary is he in solitary or?
Speaker 3:I don't know 100. I'm trying to look at my. Um. No, he's in a maximum security prison. I don't think he's in solitary anymore. So he let's see. Um he uh, in 2006 he moved to a mental health facility because he is mentally handicapped and, honestly, probably being in a regular prison was never a good spot for him. Um, he did try to take his life twice while being incarcerated, but neither time was he successful.
Speaker 1:And then now he's in the maximum security riz rizdan prison near hobart okay which is where he's originally from is he like timothy mcveigh, where he's never given a, an?
Speaker 3:uh, an actual video interview yeah, like he's, just I mean he's. He's not intelligent enough to have that conversation with somebody or to like, like, recall enough. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:like john hinkley yeah, yeah who's now doing youtube videos and planning making music.
Speaker 3:Yeah, some music for the people but yeah, I mean basically he's never talked since then. The girlfriend never came out and talked about it. The mom is still she's still like advocating for his yeah, his innocence, but like nothing's ever come to that and basically everyone's like yeah, I mean, that's what the police said, so that's what happened, and now we don't have guns the other thing I um heard and uh while looking into this is you know, homicide was on the decline for a long time, even before they passed this over.
Speaker 2:You know, this overhaul on gun legislation, the National Firearms Implementation Act, I mean it's continued to decrease a little bit, but it's just. It's just crazy to me in hindsight with regard to how so many people over there were treated during COVID. In hindsight, with regard to how so many people over there were treated during covid, yeah, I wonder how many people thought I wish I had my guns.
Speaker 3:You know 660 000 guns that were confiscated and in the first couple months, like pretty quick, they got that many guns. People just gave them up. Yeah, because I mean, people are scared, so that's what happens. Right, we see that over and over and over. We saw that with covid, we saw with 9-11. We see that over and over. Where we're like people are scared, they're gonna give away their rights, that's what happens. So, and yeah, I mean, within within weeks of the massacre, you have all these critical gun safety legislation happening by john howard. Um, so now like and I'm pretty sure these are still, because I looked it up these, these gun laws are still in place now. So like you can get guns, you just have to have a legit reason to get them and self-defense they've decided that's not a legit reason to get a gun. You have to have like a reason that's not self-defense. So like you're gonna go hunting or you're a police officer I don't know what is a legit reason, honestly, like black powder?
Speaker 2:I have no idea. But yeah, it's like the benjamin franklin quote.
Speaker 3:Everyone knows right yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1:Everything about it, everything about it just in case everybody doesn't know no, go for it, sorry those who trade uh a little bit security for liberty.
Speaker 2:Deserve neither right right, right, something like that yep, yeah, he was a smart guy, that benjamin franklin, and maybe a serial killer, maybe, maybe so the hellfire club, look into, look into Donald Jeffrey's work, ladies and gents, look at Hidden History. People buried in his backyard.
Speaker 3:I mean, I did an episode like that about Bob Ross Really.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, Bob Ross is a serial killer and his paintings show you where the bodies are hidden.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know this one.
Speaker 1:Can we go another hour? We'll have to do another one, that's I've done some crazy ones this is a quiet tree.
Speaker 2:It'll make the audience go find danny go find danny.
Speaker 1:She's under.
Speaker 3:She has her own happy little trees over there I got so much shit for that episode because people are like, oh, I love bob ross, you're ruining my childhood. I'm like, then don't listen. I'm sorry, this is just the conspiracy about it. You don't have to believe it. It could be, mr rogers was mr rogers.
Speaker 1:Was he really, uh uh, the greatest sniper in all marine corps histories? I've heard that when I was growing up, mr rogers, he wore those sweaters because he had like like death tattoos all up and down his arms, all that stuff he's too happy to not be like that because Bob Ross was in the Air Force.
Speaker 3:You know it's like I don't know. People get out of the military. They do weird things. I mean, I started a podcast. You started a podcast. You got into the gold business before, but anyway, I'm even weirder. Yeah, I know, I, but anyway.
Speaker 1:I'm even weirder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know I don't know what to do, so I'm going to paint happy little trees now that I'm out of the military.
Speaker 2:And Bob Ross could hide the murder weapon in his fro. You know, a knife You'd never look, he's the first one to use the comb. It was just a knife, though you ruined Bob Ross for me. Yeah well, you'll never look at his name. I'll have to look into that though I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna give you my honest opinion about that. I don't think it's true. I think that there was. So basically they point to like one of his paintings looking similar to this national park where five bodies were found and they were like yo look, bob ross did it, and then they created this whole conspiracy theory. I don't think it's true.
Speaker 1:I think that it was just convenient. Portrait of dorian gray. You know oscar wilde and he's painting the picture and it's like bob ross is responsible for the missing 411 yeah, 411 or whatever.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's a whole nother conspiracy we can get into, because like what like where are those people going? All these people of german descent, you know, and they find their shoes and their, their clothes folded next to bodies of water yeah, you know it's so all through national parks like miles away from their, like their shoes will be over here all put together and then miles away they're like they've got their bag and then miles further than that, you're like what the heck like?
Speaker 1:or like children happy little trees that have wandered for like miles and like knee-deep snow.
Speaker 3:You're like what the heck like, or like children, happy little trees that have wandered for like miles and like knee-deep snow. You're like that child's dead bizarre.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's 411 yeah, you can't say 411, then you get.
Speaker 2:No, it's 411 it's crazy the smiley face killers is another one, that's oh, that's a good one too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's more like a true crime, so I haven't done, ramsay, I haven't done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, william ramsay wrote a book on william ramsay, on the the smiley face killers yeah, I listened to that on a different podcast, like I, just I haven't been a part of it, I just listened to it. There's so many good conspiracies out there like it's alex jones, because it's austin I got taylor swift coming out this week no we'll see what happens with that like a concert no, no, no, like a conspiracy, oh it's like, whether you like Taylor Swift, you gotta do some witchcraft with her right.
Speaker 3:I got a conspiracy theory episode coming out about Taylor Swift. You know the Swifties are gonna be on me. They're gonna be like she's not a daughter of the devil and you're like, well, maybe I don't know I mean I don't know for sure, but she might worship the devil. At the very least she worships him. She might be the son of the church of Satan's or the daughter of the church of Satan Pastor. Well, that would make sense. Yeah, I mean lady gaga was trained in the arts. It's weird, it's. There's some really weird things that you're like, wait a second.
Speaker 2:I mean there's a lot of conspiracies, even like the swifties come up with taylor swift conspiracies, but like there's some weird stuff out there about her well, the music one has always struck me as odd, because you always hear about, you know in the music mythology about people selling their soul to the devil to acquire some abilities. Like you know, robert johnson is one, the old blues player yeah, but I did an episode on the 27 club yep, yeah, you look at um.
Speaker 2:If you look at lucifer, he was a cherub, like that was. His function in heaven was to control the choir and the music. So yeah, presumably be something he was good at and he could offer people. So I just find it odd it it's always referring to music.
Speaker 1:I mean nothing else. To be fair to me, to be really fair, the devil's solo, the devil's solo in that charlie daniel song is actually a little bit better.
Speaker 3:I agree with that, actually, but okay, but you have to think that the devil had a whole band of demons join in.
Speaker 2:They sounded something like this. They sounded something like this the solo was better.
Speaker 3:Was the solo better.
Speaker 1:Or did he just have a whole?
Speaker 3:band to really back him up and set him up? I don't think.
Speaker 1:I don't think. Well, it's the lyrics in Charlie's deal that always kind of go. You know it's chicken in the bread house picking out dough.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what that means. I told you once, you son of a.
Speaker 3:And this is just turned into karaoke. I know I love that song.
Speaker 2:I memorized all the lyrics to that song. My mom is a good mom, but she allowed me to listen to that when I was like five or six.
Speaker 3:I love that song. I feel like we used to have Sundays where we just listened to music. My dad's like, well, this song's connected to this song and then connected to this song, and then we go down this weird rabbit hole of songs and I have a very vast knowledge of music now.
Speaker 1:I saw this meme the other day and it's this guy standing at the crossroads and there's this like Baphomet, big, you know goat headed figure, and I get you know he's bargaining for the soul. And it's like, look, and he's talking to this kid and he's like you're going to get a Porsche 911. And the kid says, yeah, but I got, I gotta die at 27.
Speaker 3:I don't know, man, it's like it's amazing how many people have died at 27 like how many artists.
Speaker 1:That's a whole other.
Speaker 3:I went down the rabbit hole in that.
Speaker 1:Joplin today.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Jimiendrix, janice, joplin, kirk. Jim jim morrison's father, the doors. Jim morrison's father was uh commanded the boat at the gulf of tonkin, you know oh, the gulf of tonkin.
Speaker 3:That was my very first episode oh, really yeah.
Speaker 1:Gulf of tonkin incident. And then you know that was jim morrison's dad that commanded the boat. So then you know, when you think of vietnam it's like break on through to the other side, all that stuff. And now we're doing real karaoke.
Speaker 2:And not to continue to go off track, but tying into music a little bit Laurel Canyon, all that. That new documentary Chaos came out on Netflix. That's pretty good. I read the book.
Speaker 3:Oh, ok, I read the book. Is it all about the book? Is it like? No, it's not no, I read the book and then I actually I gave it away to one of my patron, like patreon subscribers, so that was kind of cool, like I finished it and then I signed, like I wrote them a little note in there and I gave it away as like a gift the.
Speaker 2:The documentary is more like tom o'neill. He's in it quite a bit, but maybe arguing his viewpoint versus the mainstream helter Skelter viewpoint.
Speaker 3:Helter Skelter was completely made up and honestly, I'm not convinced that Charles Manson was even like he might have been part of this. But let's be honest, this is all MKUltra. This is a CIA setup.
Speaker 2:Well, Jolly, he was meeting Jolly West every year in San Francisco while violating his parole after being released in prison because he wasn't supposed to be in San Francisco every week. The same guy that met Jack Ruby and then an hour later said he's insane yeah, I mean Jolly West also met with Tim McVeigh. I didn't remember that yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure I think that I I think that charles manson was introduced to mk ultra while he was in whatever prison you know, because he was in and out of prison and juvenile detention, all these. He was introduced to mk ultra very young and they're like this guy he's gonna work. So then yeah, but the the free clinic that they were going to right the whole thing. I mean, those girls were like possessed. They were like, yes, they were going to right, the whole thing reeks.
Speaker 2:I mean, those girls were like possessed, they were like yes, they were just voided out.
Speaker 3:Um, and then the fact that the crime scene, like you could see, that, like people were moved, like the, the bodies had been moved the weird thing about that too.
Speaker 2:So roman polanski's house, right, and he wasn't there. The other people were there, but the next people they murdered the next night, one of the the lady's name, the wife of the guy who owned the supermarket was rosemary. Yeah, I don't know, it just stood out to me rosemary roman polanski, rosemary's baby.
Speaker 3:I was like this thing's weird I found the connection to that, that woman, the the rosemary, but I can't remember what. It is off the top of my head. There's a connection between why they needed to kill her, because, god, I wish I could remember it, because it's not like I didn't even write it down anywhere, it's literally just supposed to be floating around in my brain. Let me tell you I'm not good at all that that's why I write down all my notes, because just things floating around in my brain don't work out for me.
Speaker 3:I have way too many things up in there, you have to give your ideas life.
Speaker 1:Jackets so they float around and don't sink.
Speaker 3:That's why I write them all down. I just write down everything.
Speaker 2:I'm just like you, Danny. I always have my notes and I have to organize my thoughts because otherwise I just freewheel. I go everywhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if I don't like text're doing right now when I think about it, this is a little bit of jazz. Is this my favorite? Just well, this is fun too, because you just never know like what's gonna come up and like what cool thing you might learn. I don't know everything. I love to learn from other people right, I hear that I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm the same way, but we should, we'll have to do an episode on chaos I mean, that's just's just such an interesting. Oh yeah, so good.
Speaker 1:We do. That's on the docket for sure, and I read that book in 2019. And I already knew, before even that book came out, that you know just something really strange with even the 1960s and K-Ultra and the connection to, you know, the war on the counterculture or the counterculture itself, which in and of itself is a conspiracy, and the last thing I'll say because I watched it the other evening.
Speaker 2:But they don't highlight this in the documentary. You just see pictures flashing a lot of the time. But it's showing Spawn Movie Ranch and there's a guy in front of the door and then it moves on to the next photo and I was like oh, I know what that is. And on the door is written do what thou wilt and I was like oh, alistair crowley so that's where they're getting their philosophy. Why don't you talk about that?
Speaker 3:but oh, they won't. Yeah, they didn't yeah I'm gonna do on my colts podcast, I'm gonna do alistair crowley and then I'm gonna tie it into my Rabbit Hole podcast where I do the Bush family. So sometimes I do crossovers like that If it makes sense.
Speaker 1:sometimes it doesn't make any sense Bush family, alistair Crowley and I believe he sired Barbara Bush yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah, so does William Ramsey, who's a really thoughtful I mean balanced researcher and, you know, a no-nonsense guy. Yeah, he believes that.
Speaker 3:I think they're for sure connected, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, Daniel, we appreciate you. I love the episode. We could keep going for a long time, but we'll try to save it for future episodes.
Speaker 2:Sounds good. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Mr Anderson, for being here and your research. I've been traveling, so Mr Anderson pulls some of the load sometimes and makes sure that he has his notes ready. All I have is a chihuahua and a microphone.
Speaker 2:I was venting off Danny. She had all this, so really interesting episode and thank you.
Speaker 3:It was crazy for sure. But thanks guys for having me on. I really appreciate it. Thanks for the 17th chance.
Speaker 1:We're going to put this up on 18th time's the charm.
Speaker 1:Just divide it by three and then you got it. We appreciate you and we're going to put this up on the paratrooper podcast feed and, uh, I think danny and I talked earlier she's going to put this up on her channel. So if you're listening, uh, and you like the show, this is episode 35 of paratrooper and I also do a weekly uh radio show called the art of burn radio transmission and I just hit episode 500. It's kind of, you know, it's live in the stream of consciousness and we do. Parapolitics, precious metals, uh, alternative media, hidden history, all that cool stuff. It's an hour a week so you get to see that and hear that and, uh, we would just love it. If any of your listeners want to listen to paratrooper anywhere podcasts are found, we'd appreciate you subscribing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. I hope they go find you because I've learned some things listening to your podcast.
Speaker 1:So I like to learn things. Me too. That's the point, so appreciate you.
Speaker 3:Well thanks guys.
Speaker 1:Make sure it's Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Podcast Go find it, folks, it's everywhere I'm on.
Speaker 3:Podcast. Go find it, folks. It's everywhere. I'm on YouTube and Rumble now too, so the Rabbit.
Speaker 1:Hole.
Speaker 3:Podcast the Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Theories.
Speaker 1:Subscribe to her YouTube while it lasts.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Long live your YouTube.
Speaker 3:I'm trying it okay, because that's why I have a Rumble, just in case, Because you know YouTube is not going to take down my episodes quickly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just had this great YouTube episode. What was it?
Speaker 1:About Israel. Stop it, stop it. We're getting deep into Big Pharma. It's just a blank. I appreciate you. So, yeah, just, we'd love to have your subscribers and my subscribers go subscribe to Danny and brought to you by Wise Wolf Gold and Silver Exchange. You'll get a lot of cool programs coming out for that too, danny, I'm going to be talking off air about some of the new stuff for our precious metal stuff and I want to come back on soon too. Yeah, I think last time we talked was anything in the realm of finance is changing so rapidly, danny.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm working on a book right now and I keep having to redraft stuff and the relevant information. I can't keep up. It's hard to get this thing out, so definitely do that as well.
Speaker 3:I'm looking forward to it. So yeah, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 1:All right, folks, we appreciate you In the information war. Be a paratruther. Talk to you soon.