The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast
The Arterburn Radio Transmission is a blend of cutting edge commentary, fused with guests who are the newsmakers and trailblazers of our time. Your host Tony Arterburn is a former Army paratrooper, entrepreneur, and historian. Tony brings his unique perspective to the issues facing our country, civilization, and planet.
The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast
#29 Paratruther - Navigating the Narrative with Monica Perez
Monica Perez joins us on the Paratroother podcast, bringing her mathematical flair to news analysis and sparking a conversation about speed reading and the joy of lifelong learning. Tony shares his fondness for Will Durant's "The Story of Philosophy," highlighting the beauty of making philosophical teachings accessible to everyone. Our discussion spans from the importance of physical books in the digital age to the hilarity of Dallas nightlife escapades, all while celebrating the rich tapestry of knowledge that books offer.
Step into the world of radio with us as we discuss the art of hosting a live show in a diverse city like Atlanta. The challenges of navigating political stereotypes and breaking down silos in a polarized environment become evident as Monica shares her experiences. We dive into the meticulous preparation needed for engaging talk radio, especially in a rapidly evolving media landscape. Monica's insights help us explore the fascinating dynamics of parapolitics and the resistance against propaganda, offering a fresh perspective on political beliefs beyond the traditional left-right spectrum.
Political scandals, global power struggles, and the intricacies of economic nationalism take center stage as we consider recent allegations and historical political maneuvers. Our exploration includes discussions on the influence of tariffs on the U.S. economy and the complexities of international relations, particularly with Israel. With a keen eye on geopolitical strategies and the impact of technological competition, we examine the broader implications for future economic and political developments. This episode offers a nuanced understanding of how personal experiences and professional insights intersect in today’s complex political landscape.
All right. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Paratroother. I am your host, tony Arterburn. I'm joined by one of my co-hosts, I'm joined by Mr Anderson, who brought his brain and his research to our latest episode, and Chris Graves is stuck somewhere between this world and the upside down of Stranger Things. We're waiting for him to join the stream. He might join us later, and always his research is so valuable. We were just talking about him off air and I've been waiting to have this guest on for a long time and watching her streams and watching her shows. I know her background, many interviews that she's been on, I'm a big fan. And we have Monica Perez. Welcome to Paratrooper.
Speaker 2:Hi guys, I'm super psyched to be here. Thank you for having me and I'm very happy to meet Mr Anderson. Tony, we've shared a screen before, but this is a first for me with Mr Anderson.
Speaker 3:Pleasure to meet you, monica. I'm intimidated by all these books. As I was saying before this show behind you, behind Tony, I thought about getting my Goosebump collection.
Speaker 2:That's valuable. I'm telling you I know it's douchey, I don't like it, but I need to be able to touch them. It's not douchey, yours falls down Tony. It goes on and on. It goes all the way around too.
Speaker 1:That's Monika, off-air. Will you teach me to read, because I have the props, so now I need the knowledge. But yeah, your bookshelf, I think, looks a little bit better than mine, maybe my. Am I emphasizing too much? Look at how much I know.
Speaker 2:No, no you have to be able to touch them. But I'm pretty good at I've gotten some speed reading techniques down, Like one thing I'll do with nonfiction is I'll read the first paragraph and the last paragraph of a chapter or the first couple of chapters and and then do that you can really really get 80 of the information and 20 of the time sounds like you grade sats on the side because dude I wish. No, I, I used to do stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I'm very good at that kind of yeah mathy thing, which is why I think I'm good at, or bring something a little different to analyzing news there, because I'm not like media, I'm like, oh, those dots. You know, that does not equal that.
Speaker 1:I one of the funniest lines from American dad the cartoon. Uh, stan says uh, you know I've only read books I've already read and uh, it was. It makes me laugh because a lot of the books I go back to I listen over again like I was. Somebody asked me today so what's your favorite book? And I'm like well, it was written in 1927, it's the story of philosophy by will durant. And I've read, I read the paper copy, the first thing I you got. I'm sure you have it. I have it too somewhere down here there.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at that I mean that's why I need to not have a screen behind there. People think I do it in advance, like it happens to me three times with Nature Boy, like in one weekend. He's like and people are in the chat saying like you guys plan that. I'm like no, but it's because I can touch them all.
Speaker 1:That's a great.
Speaker 2:That's pretty rare by the way, I'm going to read this into the show, by the way.
Speaker 1:You. I'm going to read this into the show, by the way. Okay, well, let's do that. That's fantastic. It took him 11 years to write. It was written in 1927. And, of course, I read the paper copy. I think it's 2004. I got back from Iraq I read that. I went to the philosophy shelf and I pulled it off and I remember looking at the date, I was like oh 27. That's just going to fantastic book, and I have the audio. It's read by Grover Gardner. So a lot of times at night I'll just put it on and whatever biography I hit, whether it's, you know, my favorites are Schopenhauer, nietzsche, and then I'll go back and listen to. You know, voltaire, socrates.
Speaker 2:There's so much great stuff in there, but yeah, if they already have an audio book, that I probably won't do it. Another one that I hope to do and they don't have a book is Makers of the Modern Mind, which is a similar thing. It's like 12. But I agree with you this book, story of Philosophy by Will Durant. What's amazing about it is that it actually explains. It actually explains in a nutshell, in each chapter, the real philosophy of those philosophers which I have this theory about philosophy Philosophy should only be taught in retirement homes, like in high school and college.
Speaker 2:You don't, you haven't even come to the uh, to the place where you know that the questions they're asking are super important, like, how on earth are you going to be able to evaluate the answer? So for me, as like as I get older, I only if I've already thought about the question and have kind of formulated the answers do I understand what these philosophers are saying. But Will Durant used to be criticized because he was he was the like working man's professor. I don't know if you know anything about him, but he would do the lectures in the evening so guys coming home from work could listen, and this is stuff that our kids graduating from college barely. I certainly don't have the attention span for it, but it's more than they could probably comprehend intellectually, which I found really interesting.
Speaker 1:It's an amazing body of work. He did the 11 volumes of the story of civilization.
Speaker 2:I have it.
Speaker 1:I do too.
Speaker 2:It's not even in this room.
Speaker 1:I've got some of the volumes on my shelf here, uh, right behind me here, um, I got one set and I got another set, and I think, in the foyer of my shop. So that's, that's amazing and that's uh this is different.
Speaker 2:This is something that I you. You what.
Speaker 1:I do not know this.
Speaker 2:No, right, it's, it's obscure and it's called the Maker. It's called Makers of the Modern Mind by Thomas Neal and it's Calvin, rousseau, freud, bentham, newton, locke, darwin, kant, luther, dewey, descartes and Marx. Like the Dewey, one is about education. He was the guy who messed up education. Yeah, newton, like they told. Or Darwin, they told him. They said you know that if you publish this, it's going to like destroy Christianity and the world. He's like yeah, but I got to, it's a good one, it's a good.
Speaker 1:Check that out. One of my favorite stories about Dewey and people. Modern educational system. There's a couple of stories about Dewey. You know he he really talked about is one of the things that set off Bill Cooper. You know anything about William Bill Cooper.
Speaker 2:I know a little bit about.
Speaker 1:Cooper.
Speaker 3:There you go.
Speaker 1:This is great. This is so much fun. Well, that's where Bill Cooper decided he listened to an old speech from Thomas Dewey, I believe back from the 1920s, about PSYOPs and bringing the whole world together, and he realized that that was what he was talking about, at least to Bill Cooper, was the illusion of an off-world threat to bring about government.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, like. Reagan said that's real. Yes, yes, like.
Speaker 1:Reagan said Really what Thomas Dewey was. He was a. He was a Trotsky socialist revolutionary and he went down to Mexico to visit Trotsky right before Stalin had him murdered with an ice pick. He raised money for him all throughout the 1920s and 30s trying to get him out of exile.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I didn't know that Maybe it's in here, I'll have to reread it because I only read it once. It'll be in my pile of books I can read.
Speaker 3:Did you read Pell Horse Rider?
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the one I have here and I remember reading it 20 years ago.
Speaker 3:So yeah.
Speaker 2:Pell Horse is different.
Speaker 3:So there's a biography of. Milton Cooper called Pell Horse Rider.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know that one.
Speaker 3:Good you win.
Speaker 2:You win this round, tony, let's stop playing Tony.
Speaker 3:That was actually the first show I was on Tony and I went out to Arizona to commemorate bill Cooper and actually did a podcast.
Speaker 1:We did a broadcast from his yard, his driveway, on the 20th anniversary of being murdered by the police, on November 5th.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's a weird one because definitely feels like he's a psyop. You know who was another one, philip Marshall, who wrote Bamboozled. He seemed like a psyop to me. I mean, the book Bamboozled about 9-11 is not accurate, but I think he was murder-suicided with his entire family. I've seen that happen a couple of times and Bill Cooper was murdered that way. But maybe it's like the JFK Nixon Reagan thing where, yeah, you're inside, but how else are they going to control you?
Speaker 1:I'll have to check that out. What do you think about the books that came out post 9-11, about 10 years in that really tied 9-11 as like a ritual?
Speaker 2:Like a black mass trauma event is what I would call it.
Speaker 1:Aleister Crowley magic in there, all the numerology in it. Do you ever look into stuff like that?
Speaker 2:Funny enough. I love numbers, I love math and I hate numerology. It's, it's, and I don't, and I and I can't comprehend bitcoin because to me they're untethered. Tether, haha, bitcoin is untethered, maybe tether is the tether, but, um, the numerology stuff it's just untethered. And the and the real thing, the real problem with numerology is there's, there's several systems and when, when people analyze the numbers of something, they'll switch from one system to another to show, to demonstrate their point. I can't accept that. It's too subjective, it's too, you know. And then the same thing with bitcoin. Like, how do you value it? I can't. Where's the tether? Like, where's?
Speaker 3:yeah it's sort of like the Bible code. I remember they ended up using Moby Dick and extracted some of the same messages as they did from the Bible using the same algorithms. But yeah, william Ramsey wrote a wrote a book about what Tony was describing, kind of the connection between Aleister Crowley and the 9-11 ritual. It was very interesting.
Speaker 2:I have all of his right here.
Speaker 1:We get into the political and the esoteric, I mean it kind of the parapolitical, it all kind of flows through. I think they're connected in many ways We'll have to have a conversation about. I'd like you know if you want to talk about Bitcoin and get your thoughts on that. I mean, how it this is, by the way, for Bitcoin.
Speaker 2:Oh, here it is.
Speaker 1:That's a good subject for this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:Do you have the?
Speaker 3:Have you read the one he wrote about the smiley face killers yet?
Speaker 2:I interviewed him about the smiley face killers. That was the first time I ever talked to him, but I don't know if I have that book. I have this about the memphis three, I have global death cult and I have children of the beast. I also talked to him about alistair carly, because I have a book buying problem. Actually, he might have sent these books to me. It's possible he sent them to me tony, should we break it to her?
Speaker 3:this isn't really a podcast, it's an intervention. Sorry, no, I know?
Speaker 2:no, it's. It's so not even interesting. That's what I'm telling you. It's douchey. I've got problems with the books.
Speaker 3:It's not at all. It's awesome.
Speaker 1:It's a good problem to have, especially in the digital, and I love my Kindle. I mean, I travel a lot and I have my Kindle with me because I can store everything, everything on there. But having an actual copy is so important nowadays.
Speaker 2:You know the censorship is going to get worse and it's not going to get better so physical yes, absolutely I'm going to be the librarian of the tunnels and I'm also going to be the bartender of the tunnels, and I actually think that's not a bad combo, you know.
Speaker 3:It's good in Dallas yeah.
Speaker 1:What's that bar in Dallas? Mr Anderson, I live in Taiwan. Oh, that's right. I don't know why You're not even in this hemisphere.
Speaker 2:I lived in Dallas for a long time.
Speaker 1:Did you?
Speaker 2:I used to go to the Inwood Lounge, inwood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wasn't it Sherlock's that had the library and the bar? I've never been there. I used to go, I think it was. I think it was called sherlocks. You could go sit and they had like decline and fall the roman empire and a bunch of my husband's in the background is like don't forget louie's louie.
Speaker 2:Louie threw me out of the bar once really yeah, which is a lot what'd you do?
Speaker 2:I was so boasted, I was just like I. It was my like bachelorette party or something. I moved to texas for my husband and, uh, I was from new york, so I didn't understand, like, drinking in new york is not like that dangerous because you just go home, you know, you go home, throw up whatever, but in dallas you drive and stuff, so people aren't getting like blitzkrieg night and day and I just didn't even get it I. I just it was crazy and we went to wherever it was, louise campisi's or whatever.
Speaker 3:Oh, I got kicked out of a third eye blind concert when I traveled all the way to san francisco with friends specifically to go there.
Speaker 3:Just couldn't, they just couldn't yeah, I was wrong, yeah, yeah, they kicked me out and, um, one of the guys I was with, uh, while we were outside the bouncer said I know your friend's underage, just some sort of identification man so we can let him back in. We don't want to be this way. So he had actually found in a Whataburger's parking lot and for some reason kept it two weeks before this ID, and so he gave it to me and I walked in. And then, right when I was supposed to talk to that bouncer, another one came forward and.
Speaker 3:I was kind of gone. I didn't look at the ID and it was like of a 50 year old man.
Speaker 2:It was like all right.
Speaker 3:Marcus, where do you live? I go. I love third eye blind, he goes get out of here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm a little embarrassed that I like I just didn't really know, I just wasn't good at drinking. I mean, I still like, love my cocktails and stuff. I never do that, but I just sound like I had this driving desire to get blitzkrieg all the time. I just was stupid. I was just stupid. And you know, chicks they don't eat and they don't weigh as much, whatever. Anyway, I think like Tony's, like she's just never going to stop talking.
Speaker 3:This is great.
Speaker 1:No, I absolutely love to make radio easy. We're just getting all the background information on Monica Perez. We're just storing it for all. This is like burned into the timeline now.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's just between us, I forget, like when you turn the recording on.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what Paratroopers is all about. But you had a giant, copious amount of notes. You were showing us off air and I've been following a lot of your coverage on the pre-election, post-election and written look at that it's so crazy.
Speaker 2:These are just the, just the first, like day or two, of the cabinet picks of trump. My my opinions of those people for the audio only audience.
Speaker 1:It looks like the notes from the movie seven yikes, yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2:It's definitely like scroll. It looks like I've been. I've been in solitary confinement and somebody like slipped me an envelope and a pen and I've just used the same piece of paper for like two weeks straight, like writing little things in every crevice toilet paper from v, from vendetta, is what she's got. Yes, because it has to be on one page or I can't reference it easily. I mean, I have like a computer where you could write stuff and scroll, but I have no relationship you start, and I've listened to your story.
Speaker 1:You started out.
Speaker 2:You've been in radio too right, just like me that's not on purpose, but I did have a radio show for eight and a half years and you were out of atlanta yes, on wsb, which was like a great, you know a huge radio, talk radio station.
Speaker 2:I don't know why he just liked me because I said I just met somebody who was a radio producer and she was just like you're in a narco what you know she brought, and they just never heard anything like it before. And then I started getting calls from auburn, alabama, where people like oh my gosh, like thank you, and it's like see there, I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1:So what years were that?
Speaker 2:they started like around 2012, I believe, and then it went, yeah, so it ended february. I mean, I think my first show was probably in 2011. And then it ended like in February 2020 when I was like, oh my gosh, this whole COVID thing is going to be a year and a half, because I had found Event 201. And literally there were a few things that happened that day. My last day, I had a new producer who's like you shouldn't hold back, and so I was like, oh, so I can talk about 9-11 and the block, you know whatever. I just went bananas, totally outed COVID. I was playing clips from Event 201, and people were freaking out. It was like a War of the Worlds thing. People were like, what is that? Because it sounded like a news.
Speaker 2:you know, if you ever heard the Event 201 thing, it sounded like a news report and I actually stopped it at a certain point because it really was like freaking people out. And and also the station got bought by a financial firm and we used to like talk about a lot of stuff about like the elections, about Stacey Abrams and about Epstein, and the guy actually stepped down from his position in that in the firm that then owned this radio station, because of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. So I have no, I could have been anything. It could have been that we really used to talk to Garland Favrito about election interference this was in 2020, you know and they were probably like we got it, we're, she's just not gonna. There's nothing she says that we want on this radio station. I don't know for sure. Nobody ever told me. They just sort of taken the monica pressure off the air and I was like fine, because it used to stress me out well, we have similar backgrounds.
Speaker 1:I started my first radio program was in dallas in 2013 and, uh, that was a. It's a lot different time. I ran because I was running for congress and I had the show. It was once a week. It was on a station called 570 KLIF, which is an old station, a big signal in Dallas and out of Cumulus.
Speaker 2:I used to love the ticket, by the way.
Speaker 1:Oh, the ticket.
Speaker 2:That's a great, that's a great great and I hate sports, but I loved the ticket.
Speaker 1:It was a Cumulus station, yeah, and I've moved on since then and I'm on a Salem with Salem Media but honestly, I mean for the audience, I'm thinking about leaving just traditional terrestrial radio in general. It's just not an environment for me. I've just moved on so far that there's really not even an audience there. I mean, I'm just an anomaly and they don't. You know, cumulus did I don't think like me very much.
Speaker 2:Those are the Dickies right back then.
Speaker 1:Yes, Well, we my family franchises Dickies barbecue, which is funny, but they're not related. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. Anymore, I have no barbecue is good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. We have the. My family owns one in downtown dallas. We were the one of the first franchisees, but uh, that's kind of a dallas traditional name, so I didn't know. I always wonder when things are tied together. You hear one name like that's probably related, like we were talking yeah, yeah, usually, but I'm thinking about, just so you're not in like terrestrial radio no, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2:But, um, the two things I miss miss about it is one the callers were great. It was great to have that back and forth because, unlike a podcast, not everybody agreed with you. So you can have callers on a podcast but it's not going to be, um, you're not going to vet any issues, because people are just going to call to, like, you know, give you big snaps, which is fine, but it's. It was that vetting. That was helpful. I didn't like arguing, but I liked vetting.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing was that, um, atlanta is so diverse and, uh, ethnically diverse that people would call and give their, their opinions. And these were people who were being painted by a certain brush by Democrats or a certain brush by Republicans, and they were totally blowing up stereotypes left and right on the show. Because I was, I was libertarian, I wasn't Republican or Democrat, they felt kind of safe. So that was helpful and it brought the message to people who were just trying to listen to the weather. You know that the bill of rights is something that neither party seems to be championing and we should think a little harder about stuff like that. It was, it had some value, but for me it was like it was stressful because it was like I had stage fright, like every single show, for eight and a half years rope to walk.
Speaker 1:You know, because I realized that it's like the terrestrial boundaries and stuff that, uh, you used to be able to get away with a lot more, and especially now we just know so much. And then you, yeah, it's like it's like team sports, like they want to get you involved in teams and like set up. You know, again, it's like a straw man. I just have a really hard time with it. I'm thinking about that when my contract ends. I don't know that I'm going to continue.
Speaker 1:Um, I may just invest more in my own, like the streaming stuff and podcasts we do. I don't want an echo chamber and I love the right. If you know this, like when you're in radio, if you got a live radio show and you got those callers like I used to go in and host for info wars. You know, for david and troy and there is nothing like that, that is some of the funnest best product. Because you know, for david and troy and there is nothing like that, that is some of the funnest best product. Because you know, like the phone lines are lighting up, you've got television viewers and terrestrial radio listeners and the whole the streaming. It's great, it's nothing like it. Um, it's hard to find that, you know and it's an art.
Speaker 2:See, that's actually wasted skill of mine, because I learned how to do it. I learned how to take the calls. I learned how to take the calls. I learned how to generate calls. I learned how to and the way I had to generate calls which you had to tap into someone's emotions about something they think they know about, and so you had to even craft your subject matter around that. So I was actually you know, that's something that I'll never be able to use again, but yeah, it was exhilarating. But that's what used to scare me, because I had a three hour show, so if I couldn't generate calls I had to talk for three hours. So the kind of I you think this is a lot of notes. I would have like 25 pages of notes just in case I didn't get calls. Like it was I. It took me two days to prepare for one show. Like it was not, it wasn't leverageable, but it was exciting and I thought it had value.
Speaker 1:I went in one week and I filled in for David Knight. He has a three-hour show and I did it for a whole week in Austin. I stayed in a hotel room and I'd get there at 5 am and just try to put together a show, because it's 5 at 8 am, and so I'd get there at 5 and just have my coffee and set out my things my pants, my printing stories.
Speaker 2:That's a tough, tough deal. Yeah, printing stories. I always felt guilty printing them out, but you have to. Oh, yeah. You have to be able to go through that.
Speaker 1:That much room on a show, like it's hard to read off a screen and I would definitely I do some. I can an hour, I can wing and I can pull up stories and stuff and I can see it on the screen. But you know, if you're going to do three hours, go to the phones I got always, just like the number's live, I'd repeat the number and try to get callers because yeah, that's a lot of time to fill.
Speaker 1:But, the most important thing about it is that it busted those silos and now we're in silos and that sucks Really. Yeah, talk radio is different. I mean, I grew up with it. I always knew I was going to be in radio somehow. But it's just that space is so different and now we are. We are in silos and that I'm I'm glad to be in the silo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so much more fun you get to, you know, talk to people and be like, oh my gosh, I didn't know that yet. You don't have to start from scratch every time, like okay, so you know, nine, 11 was an inside job, you know, like then you got to start with that, you know, but uh, but yeah, I, I really enjoyed that part of it. But yeah, it's, it's over now. It's zoo, like they do zoos, you know, like the morning zoo that has no, it has nothing, no content whatsoever.
Speaker 1:hey, buddy I brought bean bean up, she was uh, she was jealous, scratching my leg oh, she's ready on the show.
Speaker 1:It's like part of the action, yep well, let's go back to your desk, we get off um. So you know you. You I've watched your coverage like pre-election, post-election. I mean what really? You know we're not in. You and I are not in the left right paradigm, although we're not black pilled either. We're looking, you know we're not. You and I are not in the left-right paradigm, although we're not black-pilled either. We're looking for. You know, if you're doing something great, we give you a thumbs up. If you're going against freedom, liberty, humanity, the Constitution, you know, we give you a thumbs down. That's pretty much where I'm at, and you know it's a mixed bag. There's a lot of gray. It's not like, you know, good guys versus bad guys. It's not really how that works, especially in government and politics, and I think really the term parapolitics, which came out in 1979, the year I was born is probably a good way to describe what I talk about. So do you just want to lead with?
Speaker 2:that, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, so for me, if I understand the term correctly, I think that is what I find most interesting and I'm definitely not blackmailed at all. I have two reasons I'm not. One is I feel like we didn't just pop into this universe out of nowhere and I'm going to assume that we have a purpose and that our job is to, as an individual I, I believe I'm an individualist, like I just believe the individual is the, the operational unit. So, as an individual, you're here to prove that you're, uh, not a jerk. That's basically my idea. Like no jerks in heaven. We're here to prove we're not jerks. That's basically my idea. Like no jerks in heaven, we're here to prove we're not jerks. And um, and I also am not black bill, because I feel like humanity I think the power brokers, the, they trademark those guys.
Speaker 2:I think they're like missing something. You know it's like they're soulless or whatever. Maybe they're satanic, I really don't know, but I think they miss that. You know, it's very hard for them to control us, like they tried to take religion out of Russia, but it didn't work. You see 24 seven propaganda from every direction, just constant cable news. Even the commercials are like pharma propaganda and everything. So it's like it's like it's like my teeth I have to wear like a retainer at night. Every teeth will like be sideways in a week. I mean for the rest of my life I mean I've had braces three times because I'm just like, come on, it has to have stuck by now. No, so I think that's like the mind that they have to control. It's like they have to do it constantly. We have braces on our mind from them and that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:And I think, like with the Trump election, the fact that people came out in just droves. I believe that he won the popular vote. I believe he won the electoral vote. I believe that they got the vote out and the people who voted for him voted for him for the right reasons. So people told me the number one reason I heard from people was that they think that he was more likely to prevent World War III and that's the best reason to vote for him, and that means that the people have their hearts and minds in the right place. I think he's there to start World War III, which bums me out, and I feel like his cabinet picks support that theory of mine. But because people were thinking of world war three and Ukraine against Russia, which I feel is winding down. He's probably going to get credit for that and I applaud if he could go.
Speaker 2:You know, they could have Biden could have dragged it on forever, I think, like today in the news he was like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm just going to double down over there and see what happens, something like that. It was something not good, and so I think Trump will probably wind it down over there, but I'm afraid that he's going to start bombing Iran. I feel like all the pieces are going to place for that. And then we're going to have the protests at home, we're going to have a little Vietnam redux. That's a problem and then that could usher in a police state. It could get really bad.
Speaker 2:But if the people are sensitive to it, you know, and they see this stuff starting to come down and they get pissed, I think that the powers that be do tap the brakes a little bit and that's all we have to hope for. I've always said the kicking the can of tyranny. You know, history is just one long story of us trying to kick the can of tyranny and and that's our best, but we just got to keep the way. They have to put the retainer on us. We have to kick them back.
Speaker 1:It's Thomas Jefferson, like I think it's my last show before the election is Halloween and I talked about, you know, the same thing you just said about that. The number one thing, I think, if people are going to go to the polls and reelect Donald Trump and he was the first president since Grover Cleveland to get elected lose office and come back and have another administration. So he's 45 and 47. And I knew, I figured he would win, just based on the synchronicities of history and other things that really weren't even like political analysis, just my gut.
Speaker 3:And because you said it's 9-11, right.
Speaker 2:Why? What Was it numerology?
Speaker 3:I was like I think it's 45-47.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah, 45 and 47.
Speaker 2:Freaky man.
Speaker 1:And that, and Ingersoll Lockwood, and the last president came out in 1896 and who was president? Grover Cleveland, you know, and the whole thing of the little bear I was just, I think in weird esoteric ways as well as like fundamental, you know sound political and economic things. I'm both. I'm in both worlds.
Speaker 3:It's just fun to play with those ideas sometimes. Yeah, yeah, there is a lot there.
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm not good I'm like I struggle with faith, like I'm like the saint the saint michael prayer, which I love, like so angels are real. You know, like I, I struggle with that and so I'm definitely not going total uh any more. You know degrees of separation from like concrete reality.
Speaker 1:I just don't have that kind of mind the only thing that's silly, in my opinion, is atheism. That's just.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's not logical, it's agnosticism, at least, but atheism, I know I don't have no idea what it is, but I'm positive. It's not god, it's like. Well, he's got to be in the mix, he's got to be in your hopper, right and agnostic is just kind of lazy.
Speaker 1:Like you haven't thought about this, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I understand the not know. You can't know, like my struggle is, I don't even I love being Catholic, I don't even mind. But if you have to actually believe like I have to believe it. I'm like, but sometimes I believe it and sometimes I think, come on, you know, like God can hear my thoughts, like, come on, you know, but I, I just but I live it and I love it and I and I struggle with that. And if if someone who were agnostic to say, I just can't really get my mind around dying and and meeting God, and he knows my name, like that's that, you don't think that's conceptually difficult?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's impossible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's impossible. It's a leap of faith right.
Speaker 3:It's a leap of faith.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I work on that, but I thought that Vegas odds were that's what I thought was like oh, he's going to win, look.
Speaker 1:I looked at that too, but I also predicted he would win in 2016. And I was real proud of that because I was broke broke at the time. But I had a little bit of Bitcoin, but everything I had. I said he's going to win. You guys don't understand. It was the Comey investigation.
Speaker 1:Good for you I was like you don't understand politics and I've been following it since I was a little kid, so I was like this is enough. And I wasn't like a fanboy or anything, I just thought what he's talking about and up anti-establishment, I thought it was just enough. I had at 100 confidence. I'm almost and mr anderson's know me since I was 19 years old uh, I'm um, if I'm, if I'm that sure, then I'm just that. That's anomaly, because I'm not usually like I'm 100 I felt really confident going into this election. Um, just because of what you said about World War III and I want to ask you about his pick for Secretary of Defense Hegseth, because I know a little bit about him and I'm a veteran. I'm a combat vet, three foreign wars, I was a paratrooper, first Army company on the ground in Afghanistan and Kandahar and tailing an invasion of Iraq. I mean, I've got the street cred for veteran. When I look at him he's exactly my age or so why do I not like him?
Speaker 2:Because he's a Fox News host and not a defense guy.
Speaker 1:I just don't. I look at him and he's played some reels of him being anti-Putin and really aggressive on the Ukrainian conflict, which I find to be historically ridiculous like I think it's.
Speaker 3:I think it's because Ben Shapiro likes him so much whoever Ben Shapiro likes you hate.
Speaker 2:He was hugely hawkish. He um he doesn't apparently he doesn't like believe there's any such thing as war crimes. That's one thing that they say against him there. I think there was an article that came out today about him paying off somebody, a woman. Did you hear about this?
Speaker 2:No, just came out like just today came out that he paid off a woman. She accused him of sexual harassment or something like that, and he said it was consensual, but I'm paying her off anyway, which is exactly what happened with Bill Cosby, whom I have defended from the beginning. Not not a popular position, but but you know, and Gates has the same like weird sex thing, I don't you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's been ongoing for four years. That invests years. You know, it's really weird about him in the Truman show. His house is in that neighborhood. He grew up in that community and I remember watching him and he pointed at a gazebo, yeah, and he was like that's where I got my first kiss.
Speaker 2:Because he's rich. Gates is rich.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's a rich kind of odd little community.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know it's a famous architect and he kind of ushered in that like that, that weird artificial look which you see a lot, a lot of places now have that yeah, most people thought that was just a movie studio and somebody who had a lot of artistic freedom and liberty to do what they want.
Speaker 3:So he's just kind of a weird guy. I don't know what to make of some of these pics.
Speaker 2:I don't dislike him and I don't believe, go ahead I don't think gate press'm interrupting you. It's just like my thing, gates. I don't think he's going to make it. I don't think he's going to get confirmed and, unlike the other picks, he quit ahead of time. So he left Congress just got reelected, but he stepped down already, knowing it's going to be a tough sell, because the report was going to come out. I assume that's why he stepped down on Friday and he stepped down right before, which would make it tricky for Congress to release the information. And then someone gave me the idea, a different idea, but it led me to think maybe DeSantis gives him Rubio's Senate seat and then he gets back in the mix that way. But it doesn't seem like he would be confirmed like Republicans. Republicans wouldn't because that the sexual allegations are distasteful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, seems like a long shot. And people say well, trump's going to do the recess appointments.
Speaker 2:And I'm like Willie, well, massey mentioned it but they have to step down for that Right, don't they have to? Don't they have to kind of orchestrate that?
Speaker 1:for that right, don't they have to? Don't they have to kind of orchestrate that? I read a report the other day. It was like teddy roosevelt was the first one to really use that in matt he did like 192 uh recess appointments within a matter of seconds. You go look at the actual like who's actually pulled it off, like dwight eisenhower did too, and then I thought truman had done one. It's, it's it. I think it was done once by Teddy, who was really crafty and smart and got inside information and used that. It's like a technicality. I don't know that you could pull it off now.
Speaker 2:Are they saying it's like the Christmas recess would count?
Speaker 3:The president invokes it.
Speaker 2:The president tells Congress to step aside? No, so Congress has to be in recess. I don't think the president tells congress to step aside. No, so congress has to be in recess. But I don't think the president can tell congress to be in recess, can he?
Speaker 1:he apparently can I think thomas jefferson did that for the barbary pirate wars. I believe he waited to send the dispatch to sell. Was it john paul jones? It's him to go out and kill the barbary pirates, you know they did that in England recently.
Speaker 2:Actually, didn't they call a recess? Was that England where they called the recess and then started doing some funny business? So, yeah, maybe. Well, why couldn't they get away? They can get away with anything. They can get away with anything that the powers that be tell.
Speaker 2:Like Trump, he owned that hotel in DC. He had like a 99 year lease from the government, which I think Dianne Feinstein's husband awarded. His company and other companies literally sued because he was not qualified but because it was a government lease. The day he took office in 2016, 2017, he was not allowed to own that lease anymore and they brought him up on emoluments charges or whatever it's called, and they didn't even include that.
Speaker 2:And they totally could have, and I always thought that was how they were going to get him money because he overblew his. You know he would say that he was wealthier than he was another subject of a lawsuit that he refused to prosecute because I think it was true. So now, like DJT, like that stocks truth, social, like he's got lots of ways to make money now and I'm sure he is a real billionaire now, but at the time, I just remember thinking like they could get away with that, or like when Ted Cruz was trying to filibuster about Obamacare like some policy point, and remember, the Democrats pushed Obamacare in on, like policy nuance after policy nuance, and Ted Cruz, like they, the Republicans, actually could have gotten Obamacare overturned if he had continued to do that and and he just didn't like so. Unless somebody makes a noise, the right noise in the right way, they I think they get away with anything they want.
Speaker 3:I don't think they've got the stomach to do it. I just don't think they will. Republicans are just really good at campaigning, that. They're also really good at not doing anything they campaign on. So I don't see them.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's true. I don't think they want to do it Like people are talking about. I don't think they want to do it. I don't think Gates is meant to be the guy Like. I think he's there knowing. Maybe you know when you negotiate something, sometimes you put stuff in the package that you're not going to get. Take it out, because otherwise you have to take out stuff you really want.
Speaker 1:Right, I thought the same thing when he was nominated. I'm like I don't. Can he really cross the threshold? Who was the? Who was the? You remember the AG that George W Bush nominated? He got into some real, was it? It was like the third one. Ashcroft? No, it was not Ashcroft. Ashcroft was he was responsible for the Patriot Act and some of the other things that went on with the Justice Department for, like post 9-11, you know, crackdowns and all that.
Speaker 2:Alberto Gonzalez.
Speaker 1:Alberto Gonzalez. It was a tough road for him. Same thing with Nixon's appointment of Bork. I know, I know.
Speaker 2:But the other guys, like Bork was the only one who wouldn't. Who would? What was he trying to do? What was Nixon trying to do? Fire people?
Speaker 1:Fire the special prosecutor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Bork was such a.
Speaker 1:Went down the list and found Bork. Bork said I'll do it, you know. And then bork was nominated to the supreme court and he wouldn't know.
Speaker 2:And he was great. He was great for the supreme court. But you, but I, I find it hard to believe that he would have done something obviously wrong like I. I know I'm sorry, but Bork was just such a stickler for rules. I almost feel like he was probably technically right that Nixon had power. I think he was a real honest player Intellectually.
Speaker 1:I think he was very fierce and sharp. I have a lot of respect for Robert Bork. I guess the comparison I'm making is that this is going to be a troubled presidency. I'm sorry, it doesn't matter. You know, even with a man, whatever mandate, like the most clear election we've had, I guess, if you want to call it that in a while I can't think of Obama. Yeah, obama would be the last one where it's that clear.
Speaker 2:And look what he did with it Bad stuff, you know, like that's the thing. You take that mandate and he doesn't need to get reelected. He's got two years, he's got everything Congress, senate, the court. That's why I feel like it's finally time to start that war with Iran that they've just wanted so much for so long.
Speaker 3:Well, they already came after him, the intelligence thought.
Speaker 2:Yes, of course it's personal with him and we know that he's. He's just a loose cannon, emotional guy and you know, like that's. The thing that really cracks me up is that and and there was a great quote in Guido Preparata is a guy who wrote Conjuring Hitler and some other things, and I read a book. He's a great interview. Also, he taught at the Vatican but he's I think he's an atheist or maybe agnostic, but he has a little thing on 9-11 called Phantasmagoria.
Speaker 2:It's really good and it is a quote which is an anonymous quote, but he thinks it's Karl Rove and it says like it's pretty hilarious that you guys try to figure out what's going on in a historical perspective and that you write your little articles. He said we are the creators of reality and you fill in, you know, you color in what we give you and by the time you figure it out, we've changed the reality. And that's so when people try to figure out so what's, you know I always laughed, I. And that's so when people try to figure out this what's, you know I always laughed. I was like it's, do you really think Warren Buffett is sitting at the end of a bed in some hotel room somewhere watching Fox News or CNN, being like I wonder what Obama's going to do next, you know, and I wonder why. Like I want, let's get inside that guy's head it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like do you remember the movie Wall Street, monica, the original one, 1987, oliver Stone, and it has Gordon Gekko and he has that little speech about capitalism. You know, he's like well, war, famine of people, the price of a paperclip. We pulled that rabbit out of the hat a long time ago. People were wondering how we did it. That's a great breakdown. He's like we don't, it doesn't matter what's going on, we still. It's like he goes, it's, it's the free market.
Speaker 2:He goes I, I, I don't make anything I own. He's talking about like the, the financial structure, it's financial capitalism and I, you know I'm and actually it was a concept I got from Guido Preparata and it like it. It like weirds me out because it flirts with left stuff and I hate that. But he, you know, he talks about absentee ownership, you know. And then you have people like all value comes from labor, the labor value. You know theory of value, and and then you think of, like South America or even the middle East, where people you know, communities, tribes, whatever, they live on top of commodity resources. You know they, they, they own it, but that somebody gets it away from them and it's probably because they don't own it. Like entitled to the center of the earth and the, you know, just like in Pennsylvania or Texas. You know where we're, you know our Okies are rich. Now, you know Okies are rich because of that, but I just I feel like there is some rich now. You know okies are rich because of that, but I just I feel like there is some.
Speaker 2:There's something inherently wrong about, about the financial capitalism, but as like trained as a libertarian as I was, like at my father's knee. It's so hard for me to, to, to get that more um, like multi-dimensional picture. You know I'm, I'm, just don't touch me or my stuff. But then you get into, you know what's my stuff Like, can you? Is it individual? Like it's just a tough one.
Speaker 1:It's a tough one because in our world, I mean, there's just multiple philosophies intermingling at once. To make reality. It's not just one thing and this is, and again we have to contend with the establishment and the center of power, which is like all the nucleus. We have to look at that and what's spinning around it and its orbit and a lot of it's just completely detestable, awful stuff. And like we're, like you're trying to glean some of the good out of this, what's coming in the new administration, and I said, look, I predicted.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, if Trump is selected, then we're going to have gold and silver prices will come down, people will sell off their positions, they'll get back into the market. Bitcoin's going to break all time highs. I was right about that, one of the reasons, because the crypto thing with Trump is really interesting. Like I was at Nashville for the Bitcoin conference and RFK Jrr and trump and talking about making a strategic reserve. There's something with that. So like this it's a.
Speaker 1:It is a different reality. Had harris one, we'd see a different market than we do now. But that to me, is just temporary. I think you're so astute and we get to get back to the meat of all this which is in the future, like in the very near future, you're going to see, and this is my prediction um, the continuity in all this which is in the future, like in the very near future, you're going to see, and this is my prediction the continuity in all this is extreme Zionism and we're going to have a war against Iran. Trump may pull back on Ukraine, thank God. If he does, I'm glad for it, but I'll be opposing him on Iran because, again, I think Iran may be. It may be the proxy war that we fight against Russia in Iran instead of Ukraine, and that could have implications on China.
Speaker 1:I've also seen this phraseology come up, by the way. I don't know if anybody's lost their minds, but this is a new China hawks. When did China hawk become a thing? Like there was a China hawk in the GOP, and I'm like. The GOP gave everything to China. If you do not know your history, we gave everything, starting with Nixon Starting with Nixon and going, but especially in the 80s and 90s and George W.
Speaker 2:Most favored nation. Trading status was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1:December 11th 2001, 90 days after 9-11. So I've been talking about this for years and now we have China hawks 2011, 90 days after 9-11. So I've been talking about this for years and now we have china hawks. So I I look, uh, you know color me.
Speaker 2:that's about the chips. In my opinion that's about the ai chips, like I think that's the whole thing, because we obviously cooperated for covid, you know, worldwide policy was totally coordinated. So there's something going on there and I think to the extent there's actual competition somewhere. So, like gordon gecko, I I've always kind of in his kind of terms, I would always say, like greed drives productivity and competition checks greed. So the free market always worked for me, because the greed gets everybody to make stuff and the competition brings the economic profit down to zero. So you can, you know, we get the benefit of it. In a competitive field, people just keep entering hyper profitable businesses until there's it's not hyper profitable anymore, which benefits us, the consumers. So but I wonder, on the world stage and at that level of power politics, where, if anywhere, there is real competition? And it seems to me that the real competition is about the super, super high end chips like the ai rule the world chips. And the taiwan has that taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company which you know, I think is american, kind of like the zionism thing, I think is a is a tool. You know it's been created like same thing with radical islam, like it's been created by the anglo-american empire. Whatever, maybe it's rogue, maybe it's not, doesn't matter, but the taiwan thing, I think and I tell people to listen to this conversation joe rogan had with these two canadian brothers, whose last name is Harris, and they were writing the recommendation to Congress about how to regulate AI, and their conclusion was basically we get AI frozen where it is. The AI above that real general intelligence AI, if ever it were to happen, should be entirely in control of the US government, and anyone who tries to open source AI, code or do any of that should go to jail. And so I was thinking that really there is one kernel of objective territorialism, and that would be that the US government, whatever, whoever controls that Rand, I don don't know what, but wants to own the super, super high-end ai, and they want no one else to have anything to do with it. And that's why they're like ring fencing, taiwan, where they're made. That's why they did the chips act, which gives money to anyone who refuses to to share technology or manufacturing with china around the world, and I so. So that's why I think, like the china thing, the reason you might get the republicans to share technology or manufacturing with China around the world, and so that's why I think, like the China thing, the reason you might get the Republicans to actually push back on China is they are, you know, everybody's kind of in bed with that industry here.
Speaker 2:However, there are also all the people who do like behind the scenes, like you can point to names. Sorry to keep going on and on, but like there was's one thing I noticed some guy was, uh, he was um arrested. He was like an Arab or an Israeli or something, and in his in the FBI arrest against him, like there were documents that said he was brokering to have a representative for to do China's bidding inside Trump's first administration. It was kind of old and that guy I think in that thing said they think it was James Woolsey, who I think was a CIA director or something. So they have their plants in there, the Chinese plants are inside, but I think that there's a line drawn around that AI stuff and I think that's because they think they're going to control the entire world with that, and I think that's what all the energy policy is about getting energy to AI.
Speaker 3:And they can't control it. I mean, they control all the resources. For instance, there's one that lots of people don't consider, but there's this material called gallium nitride. It's actually pretty important. All of your solid state white lighting, that's gallium nitride. No-transcript. There's no way you can control that. They've let the genie out of the box they were.
Speaker 2:They were drawing a distinction between general ai or generative ai and artificial general intelligence agi, like the machines you know, like the machines you know, like the machines from Terminator there. So some people say that that will never happen. And they're saying it's going to happen, but we don't want you to know about it and we don't want you to have access to it and we don't want anybody else in the whole world to have access to it. It needs to be totally in the US government. Do you think that's impossible to?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the real danger, like so many people have pointed out, with artificial intelligence, is it's just going to be a huge extension in the capability of their surveillance state, and that's what I worry the most about it. I mean, there's all sorts of I have a pretty long academic background so I'm used to buzzwords being thrown around and kind of going into OK, what's really going on here? These are neural networks Now you're calling them something different, like what's going on but I think the real danger is the increased surveillance which is going to further limit our liberties, and that's what I worry about. So I think, behind the curtain, what they're really doing with AI. I think that's the end goal and of course, they'll use it for different types of warfare and I don't know we're so reliant in every way on countries such as China, even if you look at our higher institutions, what we do and who we train, who gets PhDs in this country, and even if it's not the school paying for them let's say it's not a public school funded by taxpayer dollars, let's say it's private Well, the professors are still getting money from the National Science Foundation or DARPA or Air Force Research Lab or somewhere like that, and then these people from other countries are working on those programs.
Speaker 3:So we are paying to train people to act as competitors later, because we make it difficult to retain them and keep them here or have a green card and the whole system. It's just never made sense to me, and so when I was in school, you mentioned China. I knew I didn't know them specifically, but there were three students who were arrested for espionage, acting on China's behalf, who graduated with PhDs Just where I went. So it's everywhere, it's prevalent and it's a real problem.
Speaker 2:I do wonder this is what I wanted to ask you guys is when Trump said he wanted to bring manufacturing here, and now he talks about tariffs. Is that all lip service or is that like autarky? Are they really trying to bring that back here so that if there is a big war, we can survive Like? Is there anything to that that ties in?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that I mean traditionally, tariffs have been the way that we built the country. I mean I've said this many times I ran when I ran for Congress 10 years. I ran on economic nationalism and it was a big hit with the people. I mean they've said this many times I ran when I ran for Congress 10 years. I ran on economic nationalism and it was a big hit with the people. I mean they loved it. Because nobody talks about that.
Speaker 1:You were a persona non grata in the Republican Party. I remember one of the major radio hosts that we went on air at the same time. He heard me once he's like that's lib stuff that you're talking about. That's lib stuff. I'm like actually america first, or I'm a, I'm a paleo conservative. I'm like you know again, the founding fathers I mean all four presidents on mount rushmore supported tariffs and every, every figure on our paper currency supported tariffs.
Speaker 1:Free trade is a modern construct. I mean it's something that I mean. Carl marx supported free trade. He said it would hasten the revolution uh to, to bring the utmost uh tension between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, to make sure that there was a complete breakdown of society. He said that tariffs were conservative. This is Karl Marx. I'm just quoting Marx. I think he was right. But all the modern conservatives? Free trade is a really good idea and I'm like, well, it doesn't do, doesn't, like it serves the interest of multinationals. You're certainly going to see it up and to the right on corporate profits, but you know, the wages of Americans and the living standards have gone down since we implemented free trade policies, you know, last 50 years especially. So I support, in theory.
Speaker 1:I'm an economic nationalist nationalist. However, some of the stuff trump's talking about, like you know, punishing a country for not using the dollar at a hundred percent tariffs. Now, that's just weaponization of the dollar by other means. That is not economic nationalism. Economic nationalism would be, you know, uh, if you wanted to make, let's say we just we were going to do math, okay, and I know that's a big step. Today it was. But let's say we get out the calculator and we're like okay, so what if we wanted to make? Uh, we wanted to eliminate the corporate income tax. So how would so, if you wanted to be revenue neutral and eliminate the corporate income tax? So corporations don't pay tax?
Speaker 1:Well, you take a 25% tariff and put it on, uh, manufacturing goods and that is revenue neutral. I know that because I've studied it for years. So you could get a 25% tariff on all incoming manufacturing goods and what that would do is it would incentivize those companies to build it here and employ Americans. That's strategic. We're not talking about that. There's something totally different here. This is punishment. It's selective, it's not across the board. It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with well, we got this power. We're going to use it and wield it. I don't know that they will, but I haven't heard a coherent plan to bring anything about. That would represent what I believe in.
Speaker 2:Well what you're saying. If it does have a big impact on the dollar, it could just be an excuse to do something that has a big impact on the dollar. But that idea of like protectionism I the first time I read it was in John Coleman's committee of 300. I don't know if you've read that any time recently.
Speaker 2:I just cause I just loved him, I loved every word of the book, and then I just like read that part like 10 times. I was like what? And you would yeah, you would nurture an industry that you thought was important to your country, and I mean it took me so long to and everything that I wondered about that book over the years. I'm like you know what.
Speaker 1:It might have been right. Right, and if you're a libertarian, you know and I'm one of my libertarian friends and I'm right there I'm almost libertarian, I'm almost there. If I was to truly belong to a party, I would be in the Libertarian Party. But see my history, though, is my guide, and the thing is Alexander Hamilton. He read Wealth of Nations, he read Adam Smith and he says I agree with you, but I'm throwing out the free trade stuff. And he did the Tariff Act. The second act out of Congress was the Tariff Act in 1789. So I mean, statesmen, understand that reality.
Speaker 2:If we all, we all reality and history is the experience of it.
Speaker 1:Yes, and if we, if every nation was on parity, like, say, like you know, canada, like every nation, every nation you were surrounded with was the same economic level, then it doesn't matter, you don't need tariffs because it just flows across. It's like from like from me. Going from Missouri to Arkansas to Texas, it doesn't really matter, it's the same. Going from Missouri to Arkansas to Texas, it doesn't really matter, it's the same. But when you're talking about in a modern era where you've got slave labor and no environmental regulations or you've got corrupt government, like you've got that oligarchy with the communist oligarchy that you have in China, you can just put your factory there and then you ship it back in to the United States free of charge. But it's funny, the Chinese took our playbook. They're using the same playbook that we used 100 years ago.
Speaker 2:That's the norm. That was the norm for nation building, and NAFTA created a situation that was the exact opposite of what you're talking about. It fostered service as our productivity.
Speaker 1:It really is. We're going to have to again pay attention. This is going to be a weird next four years. And even it freaked me out, monica, that Biden was talking about tariffs before you know, on his way out. You know, before he was kicked out of the race, you know there's got to be a reason.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, I think it's probably a manipulation of the monetary system, more than it has to do with that and we're loo de-dollarization, I try.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's my wheelhouse. People are sick of me talking about it, but it's like it's happening. So right.
Speaker 3:Well, the end of the petrodollar in the springs, like just a huge ordeal that nobody is discussing. I mean, I I'm kind of frightened by it because that propped this up so much you'd have just run away inflation if those dollars come back.
Speaker 2:They are.
Speaker 1:They are 80 of all the energy transactions right now going in dollars. And I try to tell people how important it was like in just in june of this year we had the 50-year agreement with the saudis with the petrodollar that we did back in 1974 and they just let it lapse. So, like all these you know conspiracy theorists and people in alternative media and research are like well, we just go around the world, we're bullying people, getting middle east to prop up the petrodollar. I'm like not anymore. So what is it? You know? I mean, we literally just we just walked away. There was no summit, there was no deals, there was no hey.
Speaker 1:So I asked people like what do you think is going to happen when those 80% of transactions that go on in dollars and crude oil that's denominated into energy and natural gas all around the world, what happens when they replace it with a basket of currencies and all those dollars, like you said, monica, come home and they're repatriated. That's something called Triffin's dilemma, and you know Robert Triffin, the economist in the 1960s this is before we went off the gold standard. Same thing when you become the world's reserve currency, you have to put in. There's a. You know, again, there's an end game to this. What happens when they reap those dollars that you created to stock those central banks, which isn't the quadrillions? What happens when they come home?
Speaker 2:well, maybe why trillions is too much, but they could have done that, starting in 2008 to fill that dollar collapse. So the the dollar you know we had a debt collapse basically in 2008 and they've been trying to. That's why they had zero interest rates in perpetuity and I think that's why they did COVID was to get that print those dollars to fill it up Like maybe-.
Speaker 1:I got the quadrillions figure from Robert Kiyosaki, by the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that is way beyond what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:I didn't make that up Like've heard.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I believe you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because of derivatives and stuff like the like it's like whatever's denominated in dollars and like over since 1944, since brett tom woods, and I mean it's not quadrillions, but it's like a thousand threats, so people don't even understand how much a trillion is it's. So it's such a large number, but you're absolutely right and and that's that may be. We're on something here with the tariffs and it's not about yeah, no, it's probably about the dollar.
Speaker 2:Euro dollars or are, like you know, have that same kind of multiplicative effect. I don't, it's been. I. I never really really understood that stuff like I I did. I was an investment banker. I I did bonds, not like government bonds, like bonds that companies would sell for debt. It was very small scale, so I don't get the super big picture of the currency, but I get the idea that this stuff we have way more dollars than we could ever use at home and if it comes back you're going to need way more dollars to buy stuff, have way more dollars than we could ever use at home and if it comes back you're going to need way more dollars to buy stuff. Like more dollars if you were, you know, chasing the same goods we don't have enough wheelbarrows yeah, maybe you just have a class and then.
Speaker 2:And then you have the new dollar, which is cbdc. But some people think we're not going to get cbdc that. And then I had this other theory, that that they move towards a like de facto private government world government thing through foundations or whatever, and then Bitcoin is the de facto world currency.
Speaker 3:You know what I think? I think you're trying to bogart your notes and not show us what you got on that paper.
Speaker 2:Me. Oh, I'll tell you. It's just like specific things about people, but I wanted to say I'm just playing, no like christy gnome. Like that's a good one she's. I think she's there because she doesn't know anything about the job they're gonna give her my puppy was real upset about that one oh, oh yeah, because she likes to kill dogs but she defends herself.
Speaker 2:She's, the dog was a jerk. I don't know farmers, you know what I mean. Like I don't like to get in people's business. Like if the dog you know how jerky was the dog Is the dog eating your chickens? He's got to go.
Speaker 1:Well, we got Chris back.
Speaker 2:Hi Chris.
Speaker 1:So I was telling people. You know, when you weren't here, Chris, and I think we got the times wrong on when to record, but you were visiting the Upside Down and the Stranger Things world. No-transcript, You're able to view that.
Speaker 4:The monster from.
Speaker 1:Montauk, yeah, from the Upside Down and the Stranger Things, I was making a joke, I know, I know, I was trying to.
Speaker 4:I'm like, yeah, no, I misread a text, or I actually only read part of one and I had another thing scheduled, unfortunately, because I thought we were doing it a couple of hours. I apologize, very unprofessional. Oh, it's okay.
Speaker 3:You couple of hours. I apologize. Very unprofessional. Oh, it's okay.
Speaker 4:It's my, it's my buffet again.
Speaker 1:Another fat joke.
Speaker 4:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:Um, but yeah, we're all pizza. Yeah, glad you're here at the digest. I'm glad I'm here too. Thank you, I'm glad you're here, but I digest.
Speaker 4:I'm glad I'm here too.
Speaker 1:Thank you. We had a great talk with Monica, and will you hang around for another 10 minutes, Monica? Is that okay? Oh sure. Yes, I'm not sure, chris has some.
Speaker 2:Bottom of the hour is fine with me.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 4:Chris, you got anything. Some of my most entertaining conversations were with Ms Monica Perez. Yeah, some of my most entertaining conversations were with Ms Monica Perez.
Speaker 2:Yeah, We've had some good shows. What's our next topic?
Speaker 4:Chris, I think I had mentioned the DC sniper thing.
Speaker 2:You know there's no one, yeah, bring it Perf.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but anyway, what other topics did you guys have mentioned? I came in towards the AI thing, which I don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you a question. Why do you think the reason Trump got a clear mandate through popular vote and electoral college? What do you think he's up to? What do you think they're up to with that?
Speaker 4:Well, this isn't going to get me any friends or whatever, but I think Trump is just playing his part and a lot of the weirdness, even, you know. See, here's the thing I heard Sam Tripoli. He was mentioning on a show I think it was the fighter and the kid with Brian Callen and Brendan Schwab and he had mentioned about how he didn't believe the assassination attempt. I didn't either, but here's the thing that got Brendan and Brian upset. It was almost a Sandy Hook-ish moment when they brought up the firefighter that was shielding his family Getting killed, and I understood what Sam was saying, but I understood why they would get upset with him, because these psyops are so intricate and so evil that who knows.
Speaker 2:Who knows whether that we don't know anything about that guy that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:It looks real.
Speaker 2:A lot of that looks real.
Speaker 4:That's the idea, though there was a really weird thing about the guy who was helping him around the back.
Speaker 2:Remember there was. I'm saying it looks real. You know, a lot of that looks real. That's the idea, though, About the guy who was helping him around the back. Remember there was. I don't know if he's Hispanic, I can't remember a person of color and he had blood on his white shirt.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. So it all looked very real to me and I usually think stuff like that looks super fake. He was around back and some reporter was asking him questions and he was kind of frazzled and walking away and as he finishes I'm totally buying the whole thing. And as he finishes he turns around. He's kind of waits a second. He says my name is, you know, raul martinez or whatever, and she at the same time remembered she was supposed to ask his name, I think, and she said what's your name? So he was answering the question before she answered it and I was like she forgot her line.
Speaker 2:And uh, and so I don't know about that, and and it was a little convenient of him to be able to have a uniform next to him at the RNC, like uh and I saw two different pictures, um, and I could never find the picture again, but there was an earlier picture of a the person who was shot in a different area of the.
Speaker 4:I saw it too.
Speaker 2:I thought oh, you did, I thought it was a different victim and I I never found the picture. Yeah, they said there was only. Yeah, he was like up and on a ground on the like laying. Yeah, and I could never find that picture again.
Speaker 4:I was like but that, this isn't that, so it's possible, the guy possibly actually somewhat, it's probable, let's just say that probable that someone you know, people got hurt, got shot and died, but you never know.
Speaker 2:But that's why they get mad. See, that's the thing that gets people to believe that it was real, because Trump wouldn't. Maybe he would act, maybe he would do a PR stunt, but what he wouldn't do is let somebody get killed.
Speaker 3:So you've crossed a line now, and that's the purpose that that part of the narrative serves I'm sort of middle of the road, like it seems, like everyone else here in so far as politics are concerned. But one way I kind of got people I knew are very conservative about that. I said, yes, that's going to happen to the antichrist. It's in Revelation 13. It says the beast will suffer a mortal wound, basically to his head. He won't die and miraculously he'll be healed and the world will be amazed because of it. I go there, you go guys.
Speaker 2:I am worried that third time's a charm. I'm worried about that. That would be, bad, that would be a black mass trauma event oh yeah.
Speaker 4:So I you know, like our mutual friend Don Jeffries always says he's an actor. You know, I thought he was an actor before I knew Don and I think he was selected probably in the early 2000s, you know, when he gave the infamous 9-11 interview about oh, there had to have been explosives in the building. He was being the conspiracy candidate even back then. I think anything he does in the future is suspect. That's the thing Everyone thinks. I keep hearing people that I even respect that are saying, oh, thank god he's back. Oh, it's back to normal, yeah, but did he really do much last time?
Speaker 3:no, I, I said I I said I was relieved that that's what we discussed last uh show the reprieve, economically, financially. I don't think it's any time to relax. I think it's time to continue to prepare and continue to push ahead. But I'm kind of agnostic when it comes to Trump. I don't think he's the Antichrist. I just like annoying people by saying that because it's difficult.
Speaker 2:The first time around, he didn't let us come out of our houses and he increased it by 50%.
Speaker 3:Sorry, Mr Anderson. No, that's when he lost me.
Speaker 4:That's January 6th, people tell.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I told my father I go, I don't even know if I'm going to vote for him, and it was right when he was shutting down the economy. I go, what is he doing? This makes no sense. I go, I don't even think I'll vote for him this time.
Speaker 1:What kind of magic does he have where he can get libertarians to forget 2020? Have where he can get libertarians to forget 2020. I know, and then look at people like me, like I'm some kind of like you know left-wing kook, like I love his opposition when I mentioned this. I really am fascinated by that. They leave it out. They're like I see tweets and then again posts everywhere. People are like Biden shut this economy down. I'm like it was done before him and the inflation was a result of what?
Speaker 4:Trump had done, but they just they can't. Let's just remember when Trump was leaving office, he left some kind of you know secretive letter for a creepy Joe, like on the desk of the oval office, and Biden was asked about that and he goes oh, that's just between me and Donnie, or whatever. I still would like to know what were they saying, like were they laughing at everyone's expense? Like in you know in letter form. I still would like to know what Trump wrote to him, cause he was Biden was smirking about it.
Speaker 2:I almost wonder if they like whatever plan they have, maybe the like Iran thing or whatever. Maybe it was just going to take a little bit longer. So they, they had to. You know, while that was brewing, they slid in the Democrats and and like, the plan was always that this guy had to be in the power position from the first, you know, and the second, what was in the letter, chris?
Speaker 3:was it or something?
Speaker 2:what was that?
Speaker 4:I say that all the time no, here's something I researched about January 6th that connects to uh, the Iranian general that uh.
Speaker 2:Soleim, soleimani.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah him. Do you remember the story? It kind of came and went about the New York air traffic controllers overhearing a threat, yes, on their airwaves. Well, the threat was that they were going to crash a plane into the Capitol on January 6th. Yep, that's what the thing was. So I was always trying to figure out, like, was there a correlation there? Or you know, like you just said, like, were they, was this something they were going to plan, like even with Trump still like in office, like to kind of push the Iran thing so that when Joe got right in that, maybe they would go right to work with that. But january wednesday it was january 6 was the date that, uh, the revenge, uh, for the general being assassinated. It was broadcast over the air traffic control on january 4th.
Speaker 2:I see it right here I couldn't talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was live on, I actually talked, was talking to one of the Proud Boys that was there at the Capitol, live on air, and I remember that because that covered that same story. Yeah, 2020 started out. I remember this because I was filling in for David Knight. It was the first show on InfoWars of the new decade and I was live and Trump had just had the General Soleimani assassinated and the hashtag was World War III and all the stuff that was going on. And then it just got covered up, wiped away, and then it's COVID-1984 and away we go. But now we're back and I think we're. This is, I think, the most observation, monica, on your part, because I said the same thing. I'm like the continuity and all these cabinet picks is rampant Zionist. Look at Mike Huckabee as the nominee for the ambassador to Israel. That should give you some pause.
Speaker 2:Yep, israel has title, which I think is a funny word to say. I was talking to Matt on Homeless Left and he played a clip of Huckabee saying, like Israel has title of that entire land and I'm like, actually I know someone who has a title to a house there. So Israel doesn't have a title to house there, so israel doesn't have a title, the entire thing. They don't let that guy go back. Um, he's a christian palestinian, but yeah, hugby gnome is a loyalist, she'll do whatever they tell. Rubio is a big iran hawk. Even lee zelda, the epa guy, I think, was like a hawk. Michael Waltz, the Green Beret he's the guy who's the national security advisor. He's a big, just all-around hawk Hawkish on Russia, ukraine, iran, afghanistan. He wanted boots on the ground, he wanted to keep Afghanistan going.
Speaker 1:He's an approved veteran. I'm not approved. A lot of these vets. They're like oh, you're a vet and you're also pro-war. Good, if you're a vet and you're like I'm going to get the troops home, oh, you're some kind of failure.
Speaker 2:That's why they disarm the vets. I think they come home and they're like that was bullshit and they're like, okay, you've got PTSD.
Speaker 4:Give us your gun. They target the veterans. Uh, at a certain point, yes, they did, yep this brian hook, the national security transition team.
Speaker 2:He actually gets government security because of the solomoni killing. He was part of that and, um, he's under like death threat from iran, so they put him in place. Uh, I think they're kind of beards too, because I I don't think any of that, like Anthony Blinken was is Jewish. I don't know if he's like an Israeli citizen or whatever, but they the Biden ones, were a little. I can see both sides, but these guys, they're all kind of like a lot of this Christian right stuff or I forget what they call it Christian.
Speaker 3:Zionist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I said, ben Shapir was very happy about all this and at least stefanik she's the one that she brought down those like basically dei heads of colleges for not being pro-israel enough and but.
Speaker 2:But I one thing that I I've said, that people listen to my shows. You've heard me say like I couldn't understand why they gave so much oxygen to the pro-palestinian protesters. And now I think that they did it because they know that once the Democrats are out of the White House, if then you start the war with Iran, that thing will just spread like wildfire, that thing will just explode, and then they can bring in what I think is going to be a national police force, which is that secret service recommendations. Anybody read that whole thing. They recommend janet napolitano recommended that the secret service get like all the departments basically get gutted. It reports one person outside the system who I think is going to be eric prince, and that they're all, they all um, are totally interoperative with all the police forces you know, based on like butlers, like down to that granular level, and I think if you start having civil unrest they would just be, you know, whatever turnkey.
Speaker 4:Well, then you would have escaped from New York, because that was the national police force that was guarding Manhattan Island, with Snake Plissken having to go in to save the president, and that was the police force was surrounding the biggest prison of the land. They were called the National Police Force, so I could see that happening and I don't think America is going to do anything about it.
Speaker 2:So this is the thing, that's the extreme. So, like you'll see what, like Edward Snowden was one that they just push, push, push, like they'll take. They'll take a PSYOP, they'll take a plan and if it's going like COVID, I think, if it's going well, they they just, you know, open up subsequent phases. They're like so. So maybe they put all these people in place and see how people react. And then, okay, light off a couple of rockets over to Iran, see how people react. And if people don't wake up all the people voted for Trump because they didn't want World War III. If they don't get loud about that, then they keep it going, and then all these things could cascade. I'm not predicting that we're going to have the National Police Force in two years. I'm just saying if we don't, if we don't, if, if the zeitgeist allows that thing to progress, it could get ugly.
Speaker 4:If people behave a little better than they did under COVID, where they behave too well, then they test the waters all the time, Every time there's a spree shooting or terrorist attack, or or maybe even COVID, COVID. Whoever they are, they're monitoring the public's reaction and just how far we're willing to be pushed.
Speaker 2:And maybe that's one of the primary purposes of COVID Could be yeah the answer to that is more.
Speaker 3:You overstressed that right through everything Ruby Ridge building up to W going and so forth they're just trial runs to see how we'll react like, oh, that guy's a white nationalist, he's crazy, he deserved that are those? People are members of a cult. We don't care if they burn alive or they're really reprehensible to. To think about how many people are okay with things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the children, chris and the christian thing and that it's christian right.
Speaker 4:You were the one that told me that once they started singling out the christian right, it was our. It was a kind of I've thoughts. What did? I say well, there was a where there was a some kind of memo.
Speaker 2:It was going oh, yeah, oh, adrian, for a meal. This is, like my favorite thing that I figured out is that, uh, if you guys, I'm sure, tony, you're old enough to remember the um, not that you're old, thanks, but you're definitely a baby I'm sure you're younger than I am.
Speaker 2:I'm not like, like he called me a baby tony sorry, mr, so um, but I remember ob Obama's information czar, cass Sunstein, and he wrote a memo called Conspiracy Theorist in which he and his co-author invented cognitive infiltration. Do you guys all know what cognitive infiltration is? Yeah, so you go out and you go into the truth or movement and you talk about, like you know, space beams from whatever mess it up. Or you go into whatever, so movement, and you talk about, like you know, space beams from whatever, um, mess it up or you go into whatever, so you know what it is.
Speaker 2:There you go. The co-author of that paper that invented cognitive infiltration is Adrian Vermeule. Do you guys know who Adrian Vermeule is?
Speaker 3:I do not.
Speaker 2:He's a Harvard professor who is first line in his wiki entry. He is spearheading the movement towards catholic integralism, which is like a christian nationalist thing where the united states should get their um legislative, moral compass from catholic teaching, which is we're not a catholic country. I mean, I'm fine, do it in the Philippines, but that's not. You know, that's not. And this guy invented cognitive infiltration.
Speaker 4:Yeah. And I just remember you mentioning that once they start. You know there were some rumblings that they were trying to infiltrate some Catholic groups or even Christian.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, so I do a priest from when I used to live in Atlanta and he um said somebody tried to set him up, like got him to I don't I remember the story. I don't like to like give the actual specific details because I don't get anybody in trouble but basically somebody, a new pressure, convinced him to go to a shooting range and like literally had stuff laid out on a towel and like had the guy touching stuff and then next to it, you know, wrapped it up.
Speaker 2:It's like the whitmer thing, yeah and then the priest was wise and he took it back and he like wiped it all off. He's like, okay, now you can take it. Yeah, yeah, but that was, you know, getting that somebody's fingerprints on something. That could you know. That's how they do it. Just hearing that story in great detail, I was like, oh, that's how they do it. Patsies Latin it was supposed to be this year, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 3:It reminds me of Hell Sees you. I don't remember much about that movie, but I remember they got George Clooney's character to go to the party and he didn't know there was a guy just going around with a big camera smiling at him so they could blackmail him later it's a ditty party, is what that is?
Speaker 1:um, it's one of my favorite episodes and I I promised monica to be about an hour and you know monica from radio always leave them wanting a little bit more, so I can't make this as long as I would want it as a show, but I want you to come back. You're officially I'm never and my, my co-host will, will, uh, back me up, you're. You're officially the uh, the fourth member of paratrooper, anytime right on.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, and likewise you. There's an open invitation on my show. Chris has been on my show a couple of times. Let's do it. Maybe we pick a topic, whatever, but wanted to. The reason I wanted to go a little bit longer was because I wanted to see Chris, so I'm glad that we stuck around a little bit. I'm sorry I sent you a confusing DM. We were wellness check. You're like what happened? What's wrong?
Speaker 4:I should pull over and read the text all the way through before putting a thumbs up.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, we're, we're, we're good, but anyway. So thanks so much for having me on guys and, yeah, let's see each other again soon at your place or mine.
Speaker 1:Thank you, monica, thank you for being on one. Tell people they can find you one more time, just in case.
Speaker 2:Sure, yes, monica Perez show. I just started a sub stack. I think I'm going to love it. I don't have my sea legs there yet, but since I'm so almost totally shadow banned on Twitter to the point where I mean I actually consider it just like a note taking exercise at this point it's like where I keep like articles I want to read later and write my innermost thoughts and DM like that's smart. So I'd rather do that on sub stack. So I'm headed over there and. But you can find my stuff any on your favorite podcasting platform Monica Perez show dot com.
Speaker 1:Well, a magnificent guest, even exceeding my expectations, were already high, so I'm just so glad we're here and, mr Anderson, you don't want to be found, chris.
Speaker 4:Well, I'll be appearing with Mr Donald Jeffries in about 10 minutes as we deconstruct the corruption myth of Joseph Kennedy Sr utilizing mob sources and CIA sources. That keeps getting recycled over and over and over again. So I've been doing a marathon with the podcast today. So there you go, and I wish I was here from the beginning. I really it's cool, brother.
Speaker 1:You do so many podcasts it's hard to even keep up and we're glad that you're here. But anyway, thanks, Thanks everybody for being here, Thanks for watching, Thanks for listening. Be sure and share the links. Follow Monica.