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#27 Paratruther - Nixon - Deepstated by Deep Throat
What if the Watergate scandal was just the tip of the iceberg? This episode of Paratruther takes a deep dive into Richard Nixon's complex persona and his tumultuous journey to the Presidency, marking half a century since the infamous break-in at the Watergate Hotel. From his early political battles to his contentious relationships with figures like JFK and Harry Truman, we uncover the personal tragedies and relentless ambition that shaped his career. We'll challenge the conventional narratives and delve into the high-stakes world of political intrigue, shedding light on Nixon's strategic maneuvers and the far-reaching impact of the scandal on American electoral politics and governance.
Meet Nixon's key allies and adversaries, and explore his unique approach to political relationships. Discover how he leveraged the expertise of individuals like John Connolly and Pat Buchanan, while also navigating his tumultuous interactions with influential figures such as Lyndon B. Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover. We'll discuss Nixon's pivotal decision to take the U.S. off the gold standard, his strategic retreat to Key Biscayne, and his controversial involvement in events like the 1960 presidential election and the Cold War. Uncover the murky world of espionage, political maneuvering, and the establishment of the Plumbers unit, all set against the backdrop of Nixon's deep-seated paranoia about leaks.
As we dissect Nixon's legacy, both in foreign policy and his post-presidency reflections, we'll examine his opening of China, Cold War strategies, and the broader implications of the Watergate scandal. Hear about the dramatic revelation of the White House tapes and the ensuing power struggle, along with insights into Nixon's ongoing influence and intellectual pursuits after leaving office. Don't miss our recommendations for a deeper understanding of Nixon's post-presidency era, including a nod to the film "Frost/Nixon." Join us as we unravel the intricate tapestry of one of America's most controversial presidents, offering a comprehensive look at his profound and lasting impact on the political landscape.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Paratroother. We're recording from deep within the heart of Texas, at Hangar 18 on the 33rd Parallel, and this is the first time. I just dropped my hat. I don't know if that's a good is that a good start? Over a bond, just cut right there. Maybe that's like maideniden Voyage thing. He dropped his hat here. I got to grab it. I should put it on.
Speaker 2:What is that? Hat it's Wise Wolf. Oh yeah, you got to put that on, let me put the hat on.
Speaker 1:Maybe I should do like that Stallone movie Over the Top, because he turns it like when he turns his hat backwards and he's ready to arm wrestle. That's 80s man. Have you ready to arm wrestle? That's 80s man. Have you seen that movie? No, okay, I think it's before you're born. Okay, put my hand on. So there we go. All right, so got my cap on, all right. Ladies and gents, we are at hanger 18. This is the first ever, uh, dual broadcast with mr anderson, and I've been seeing comments all over my feet Every time I do a show Arterburn radio or I'm on another show, somebody says we want more paratroopers and I'm like I got more, I have more and uh, any, this is the more so. I appreciate you guys being patient and we're going to talk about episodes after this, but this one's going to be very different, kind of a departure of what we've done in the past, because we have notes, and copious notes from Mr Anderson here.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I don't have any, not a brag. This is sadly. A lot of this stuff is in my head and I will go into why is that said? Mine is this book.
Speaker 1:What you have is scholarship. What I have is mental illness at some level. Like this is stuff like we were trying to play the theme to oliver stone's nixon and he can hear it, but I can't. So this is like we're working out all the electronic stuff and the technical issues and I'm like, well, it's really sad because I I hear the music of this movie, and I said this on another podcast, the, the Jeremy Slate podcast, earlier this week. I said I hear that theme in my head and so we're going to do a show. This is what this is about.
Speaker 1:Is Richard Nixon Watergate? But not the way that you were taught in school, if you even learned about it at all, or not, what the mainstream media talks about or what the narrative is. And Mr Anderson and I were talking off air about how people will say it's worse than Watergate. Everything is. I mean, it's everything that the government does now or the executive branch does now is worse than Watergate. We're going to get into the underlying cause and this is where I arrived years and years ago that there was something not quite right with what happened to the second term of the Nixon presidency, what happened with the Watergate investigation itself, what it meant to our electoral politics, what it meant to governance in general, the office of the presidency? There was some high strangeness, some corruption, and it had almost nothing to do with the third-rate burglary. That was the break-in of the Watergate Hotel and I believe June of 1972. Am I right about that? Correct? Okay, so let's just again. We're talking about Nixon. So you have to introduce this Watergate. He resigns August 9th, officially. Well, august 8th and then the 9th is when it officially kicks in is 1974. So we just passed the 50th anniversary. You reached out to me and said we should definitely do something on Nixon. That's 50 years on. I said that's a great idea because there's lots to unpack there.
Speaker 1:Nixon is unlike any other modern politician. It reminded me a lot. There's an excerpt from one of Pat Buchanan's books about his time spent with Richard Nixon during the presidency and he compared it to the opening of Hemingway's book the Snows of Kilimanjaro. In that book there's a little excerpt about how they found a leopard at the top of Kilimanjaro, at the summit, and no one. He wouldn't even got there. How did that leopard get there? That's a lot like Nixon. How did he get to the heights of power? And he really was a driven person.
Speaker 1:He comes from one of the most unlikely people to be president, humble beginnings. His mother's a Quaker, his mother Hannah Quaker. His father was a you don't want to you, they called him. He said I kind of a little man, you know, like common man, like when he talks about him in this in his speeches and he refers to him he says you know, they he's. So he had the poorest lemon ranch in california out in california and he sold it right before they found oil on it. And so he was just a really a hard working kind of unlucky guy ran a grocery store, what you think. It was a grocery like a small, tiny convenience store market on the side of the road and that's how. And he did butchering and all this other stuff. That's how they and they're living.
Speaker 2:Nixon spoke about him almost like lamented, like his father's story right, saying he had nothing, but he was a very honest man through all of it, definitely a disciplinarian, especially in the way he was portrayed in Oliver Stone's Nixon. Yes About taking people out to the woodshed Taking out the woodshed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, he really was and I've read many biographies on on nixon and I guess my, my affinity, uh, aficionado, whatever you want to call like I'm a connoisseur of this particular timeline and it just kind of happened to me in my own life and I'll give a little backstory, because I've written about this before and some of my articles need to be republished and and this is something I think I wrote about in 2016. But when I got back from the military it was the first Christmas I was back and my grandfather, jack he was my step-grandfather, one of my best friends in the world. He was just a neat man. He'd been everywhere, he'd been a salesman and he'd been in a wildcatter, gone and drilled for oil and done all this stuff when he was young and been in the Army like me at Fort Bragg and been a colonel's driver, just like me. He was really interesting.
Speaker 1:And that Christmas Eve in 2004, I was a little melancholy. I was walking around his house and this is just before he died and I saw on his shelf he had a book by Nixon. It was called In the Arena. It was like an autobiography about his time and struggle in politics and other things and just like personal views. And I picked it up and I said, you know, and I, you know, just gotten back from Iraq and I tell the story all the time I read like 200 books when I was overseas. I mean I just anything I could get on philosophy or history, and just that was my education.
Speaker 1:And I remember I pulled it off the shelf and I said, jack, why would you have a book by Nixon, you know? And he said, oh, and Jack was more of a old school Democrat, you know, he was like a blue dog. And he said, oh, you should read that, you'd like Nixon, there's something. And I said, really I just did not equate him having any kind of affection or, you know, endorsement of of Nixon and I said he goes, take that, just take that book. So I went home that night, I read the whole thing. I stayed up and read it on Christmas Eve and it was. It was an exploration of, like, his last days in the White House and his philosophies. And you know he talked about anything from usages of alcohol personally, or you always had a drinking hand in the movie, right.
Speaker 1:In the movie. Yes, so there's all sorts of like just personal viewpoints. It was a beautifully crafted book. Actually, it's highly underrated because it just you look at the author like, oh, here's another, you know politician writing a book did he call that or was it inspired by teddy roosevelt?
Speaker 2:um, it was right because he had that great quote about teddy that we were talking about before the show started.
Speaker 1:It was definitely, uh, inspired by teddy roosevelt's man in the arena right and um. So I got to. After that I read that book, I said I'm going to learn more and so I'd seen Oliver Stone's Nixon before, but I rewatched it with fresh eyes, like reading a biography on him. And then Oliver Stone, by the way, thought that was his greatest film. And it nobody, really the critics hated it. Spoiler alert it came and it nobody really the critics hated it. Spoiler alert it came out in like ninety five and if you were going to ruin it for you, you haven't seen it. But basically he resigns. Stone.
Speaker 1:Stone allows the humanity of Nixon to come through the film, even with all the flaws and the, you know, the slurs and the racism and the warmongering, even though he wanted to be known as a peacemaker. It really comes through and I think it's what the critics hated. It wasn't like this total bashing of a person, like leaving him dead in the ditch. He was allowed to leave. The character leaves the film and it's Anthony Hopkins and you just kind of step back and go. Oh, okay, like the way that he leaves with his head high, even though he got crushed, you know, by having to resign. But first and only president to ever resign the presidency. Weird, weird, right We'll. We'll get into that. So there's a lot of background here, like with, with my. I'm glad we're doing this show because I've always wanted to kind of do a deeper dive. That wasn't just me talking. And I'm glad because you've got structure and I've got chaos and that's usually the way we do these broadcasts and podcasts.
Speaker 2:but go ahead no, I was just going to say it seemed like one of the themes with nixon is he couldn't understand why everybody hated him. He couldn't get over the fact that the media hated him. I mean, the Democrats were fading in a lot of respects at the time and the Republicans were starting to gain more favor, and that didn't help him. But what made me laugh at the end he was asking Henry Kissinger right, he's like, do you pray, henry? Yeah, that really happened. And then you know he was contemplating about how he didn't pray enough, and so he says you mean on my knees?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So he started praying and I was like, well, it's good to pray, but I probably wouldn't start again with Henry Kissinger, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:Nixon always had somebody he was kind of in love with and I don't mean that in like a Pete Buttigieg kind of love way, you know, I mean like. I mean he was. He would like, you know, look at John Connolly who was a Democrat governor of Texas. Nixon makes Connolly the secretary of the treasury. And because he liked a lot of Connolly's ideas about fiat currency and we talk about that all the time you know, nixon's the one that took us off the gold standard, right, but he would, really he'd find these people that he admired even didn't matter what political persuasion or background, ideology didn't pay a lot of attention to ideology. He like collected people. You know he collected Pat Buchanan who was, you know, one of the most prominent right wingers in america. You know, even as a young man, you know he was the. He was the youngest editorial writer in america. He's 26 years old, writing for the, the st louis, uh, democrat and uh, nixon picked him up like he's just heard about his writing and his political leanings and it's a good ad, yes, and he pulled. He pulled buchanan in because he wanted to know what that sect of of the political belief system would say about his policies and he wanted to craft it around. He knew, and he knew that pat was smart, he would actually use buchanan for intelligence. Like he'd send him out.
Speaker 1:Uh, like when he ran for president again in 1968, um, he, he didn't primary. He took months off and just read plato and, like, stayed out of the fray. He let all the other candidates wear themselves out. He went on vacation down to key biscayne and then it was. It was just him, you know, relaxing and learning, and then he waited for all these other candidates, like romney. You know romney's father, george romney. He wore himself out and because Romney came on the scene and said, well, I was brainwashed about Vietnam by, you know, so he used to use the term brainwashed about supporting Vietnam. And so then it was like, what do you mean? You were brainwashed, and so that that just killed his chances of, you know, getting the nomination. So Nixon comes in, but Buchanan would go out and find out, like, what's the price of a gallon of milk, what's the price of a loaf of bread? You know, like little things on the, and he'd just have all this information. Who to speak to when you get to this town.
Speaker 2:So nixon would show up all rested and know all these things about the town, you know and well it seemed like nixon was under the oppression, especially especially after rfk was out of the picture, that he was kind of a shoo-in and you were talking about how he could reach across the aisle, like even he and JFK were colleagues. I mean, they came in right around the same time and I don't know. It seemed like JFK was really mad at him later because of the track one, track two, stuff that Ike set into motion before his term ended. Yeah, if you watched the movie and JFK didn't know, and it that Ike set into motion before his term ended. Yeah, if you watch the movie. Okay, didn't know.
Speaker 1:And it turned into the Bay of pigs. That's the Bay of pigs, right. So this is. This is where we get into the murky terror. This is why the main, this is why it was so important for them to have Woodward and Bernstein and they had. This is like a controlled narrative operation inside the scandal, like so to make sure that, whatever you learn about it, you don't actually learn about why. Nixon was on the, the list to get rid of. Like the he. He crossed over some boundary and I think it had a lot to do with you know you look at Nixon's career. He gets done with world war two. He's a Navy veteran, serves in in the Pacific combat veteran, comes back home, takes on Jerry Voorhees who is a beloved socialist Democrat in California. But Nixon comes back as a veteran. There was a huge surge in the country. We're done with the Democratic Party. It's like the imperial presidency of Franklin Roosevelt. You know all the four terms and all that he got elected for. Four. Harry Truman serves it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. It's like we all thought this was kind of known. You just did this. After two you stopped. So we're going to make an amendment, George.
Speaker 1:we have to make an amendment for you. You know George Washington said the precedence was two terms is the max.
Speaker 2:And they hated Nixon right. Truman hated him. He said anybody who votes for him deserves to go to hell, Because he went after them about all their failures with mainland China, with North Korea, all those things. He was working hand in hand with McCarthy, going after the real communist Right, and so Alger Hiss all that stuff, that's 46.
Speaker 1:So Nixon comes back after the that stuff. That's 46. So nixon comes back. You know that after the war.
Speaker 1:He's 46, he takes on jerry vore, he's he outworks him, uh, outflanks him. He's got the energy, he's got the the veteran status and he's a fighter. He shows up everywhere. It's that's that nixon mentality is that he's going to outwork. And one of the things is, if you look into his life, his two brothers die young. Yeah, the first one is like spinal meningitis, as his little brother, arthur, and uh harold, who is his older brother, dies of tb, tuberculosis. And that's how they are able to.
Speaker 1:The family could afford to send nixon to law school duke, yeah, it goes to duke. And they called him like iron butt because he studied like he just wouldn't. Just everything was focused study, study. It was no fun, you know, and that's the way he was just very driven right. So he takes on vorhees, wins, and as soon as he gets to congress, he's this unknown guy gets on the house un-american activities committee, which uac, which is the you know, trying to find out all about the communists. Well, it's funny today because McCarthy, you know, you get Joe McCarthy shows up and he's like I've got a list. There's 150 names of communists inside the State Department. And what's funny today is that I could give you the same list. I just hit print. I love that. I'm just like. Well, I have a list of all the communists in the same list. I just hit print. I love that. I just like. Well, I have a list of all the communists in the State Department and you just hit print of everybody in the State.
Speaker 1:Department. Just hit the directory. You're going to start with A's, and that's what's so funny. That's true, right, it's absolutely true.
Speaker 2:That's true. And even with McGovern like how they were trying to paint his campaign is like triple A Right. It's about acid, amnesty and abortion. It's like not much has really changed.
Speaker 1:No, not, not much at all. But so, nixon, he gets into the UAC deal. It's the, it's the era of Joe McCarthy. We lose China to the communists. You know this is the Rockefellers and Rothschild set that up. So this is like deep history we lose, make you lose china. Um, the korean war is coming, kicking off all that stuff. The russians get the bomb we gave it to them, you know, are the rosenbergs and the spies that are inside the nuclear program.
Speaker 1:So nixon has this window of this opportunity where he meets, uh, this ex-communist named whaker chambers and Whitaker chambers. It turns Christian, turns his back on communism, wants to do the right thing and he's like hey, there's a communist that I know, a deep level spy inside the state department that's giving up state secrets, and his name is Alger hiss. Nobody believed this disheveled guy named Whitaker Chambers, except Nixon. And Nixon could. He had this talent, I think, to spot a lie, I don't know, like maybe he, or the truth of the lie, whatever it is, he could tell when someone I think there was something about Whitaker Chambers that he just believed he was the only one. So Whitaker Chambers tells him, just believed he was the only one. So Whitaker Chambers tells him, like Hiss is lying. I've met him before I know him.
Speaker 1:We went to meetings together and of course Andrew Hiss was beloved by the UN when they had it at the Presidio outside of San Francisco. That's where they set up the bones for the structure of the United Nations right after World War II or right before the end of the war. Guess who was the head of the UN, walter Piss. Oh yeah, he was the head of the UN. So Nixon takes him down.
Speaker 1:Now he doesn't get him for spying, but they ended up finding like rolls of film and a pumpkin patch Like this is like a weird story. They caught him lying. So he gets convicted for perjury, right, right, that he'd never met Whitaker Chambers and he absolutely had Right. So Nixon becomes this overnight star, you know, especially with the right wing, with everything going on with again the Russians get the bomb, we lose China, the Soviets are marching across Europe and again the Cold War is really kicking off. So he gets a lot of attention. Then he runs for Senate. He kind of brings that same fighter mentality, takes on a socialist in California Helen Cahaga Douglas I believe and he comes out and he says stuff like he just hits her from every angle. He's running billboards, doing all this stuff. He's out working her and he's like she's pink right down to her underwear.
Speaker 1:I remember that. So I mean, he's just, he's known as a fighter.
Speaker 2:That's why he didn't want some of those tapes, at least some of the stuff he had said oh, some of the stuff is oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:It's awful. I mean I know it sounds like well, I was going to. It's like nobody would want to be like it's a cautionary tale about how much do you really want to record yourself.
Speaker 2:It's like that old grandma and grandpa thing. It's like yeah, making the cookies instead of building right. Yeah, yeah, start saying things you get, especially they're blackening out in the movie.
Speaker 1:It's like the whole thing's going to be blacked out, sir we're going to think you just cuss non-stop, yeah, and he's, all you do is swear. So he, he takes, he wins the senate. And then it's uh eisenhower who says well, you know, put him on the ticket. They decide to put him on a ticket. I didn't know how young he was. He's actually, I think, is he. So we're looking at jd vance. I think was the youngest vp nominee since nixon, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, how was he? Nixon was 47, right when he ran in 60 he was 39, I think right was he I think, okay, maybe he was. You wouldn't know this better than me.
Speaker 1:You know a lot more about Nixon well, right, so he's this is 52, so yeah, so yeah, I mean he's like, he's like 39, almost 40, yeah, going into the 52 election, being on the ticket with with Ike, and of course he has some enemies. They want him off the ticket. They can accuse him of having a slush fund. That's when he comes out with the checkers speech, right?
Speaker 2:I love that story where somebody sent him a cocker spaniel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to keep it. I mean, it's genius, I mean, but you got to think about it. He thought he did awful. By the way, after he delivered that, you know it was like Pat's Republican cloth coat he did like a complete breakdown.
Speaker 2:About Buddy his wife.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, he thought he had completely botched that, but he's successful. He's on with Eisenhower. So this is when we get into the meat of the story. This is where Nixon is introduced to. He's on the security cabinet, he's in the sphere of Eisenhower. He's trying to take and carry out Eisenhower's wishes. He's very loyal to Eisenhower, but he gets involved with these operations. And that's where track one, track two the Central Intelligence Agency, taking out reshuffling Latin American leaders, european leaders, african leaders this is where he really gets into the thick of the intelligence apparatus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's where Howard Hunt comes into the fold, right. Cia, cia and they're never going to go away now.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's what we talk about JFK. Jfk is elected in a very close election. They stole it fair and square.
Speaker 2:That's what.
Speaker 1:Mary Chotner, that was his campaign manager, says he's like you're nothing you can do about it. They stole it fair and square, which is funny, which they put Lyndon Johnson on the ticket that carried Texas. And then, you know, in Illinois they had Mayor Daley and you know, daley was the mob connect all that stuff. The Kennedys was the mob connect all that stuff, the Kennedys they had it.
Speaker 2:Of course they stole it, I mean, everyone knew it. But they basically said if you pitch a fit about this, your political career is over, so you're only 47.
Speaker 1:Right, right. So he loses that one. Uh, comes back and runs for governor against pat brown in 62, loses that one. And that's when he steps up and you know, has this famous press conferences, like just think of what you'll be missing. You won't have nixon beat up on nixon. I can't kick nixon around anymore.
Speaker 2:I won't have nixon to kick around anymore and he said if you decide to uh give a can at the shaft, just put one reporter on the reporter on the ground report, the truth and what he says every once in a while, every now and then I mean just like the most. He just got it all out.
Speaker 1:He was very angry. So what he does, you know he takes the mid-60s, and especially now. I don't know, most people don't know this, but he was in Dallas on November 22nd 1963. He's leaving.
Speaker 2:It was really weird because he met with people right when kennedy was coming in. He was departing out of love and kennedy was coming out of gfw.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's weird, I think they put him, I think that, the powers that be that they put him in the periphery to make sure that his name was associated with this thing. I think so. I don't think he had anything to do with it with the case he would have not. In all the biographies I've read, even the negative ones.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's the way he would have wanted to do anything, but he was there reportedly closing a deal for Studebaker right, and he was meeting.
Speaker 1:In the movie they have the guy Larry Hagman, who was JR on Dallas, plays the part of this guy named Jack. Now if you watch the movie, what he supposedly who he's meeting with there is the Hunts. Right, right, he's supposed to be meeting with the Hunts and they said they'd give him a shit pot full of money to run. And he said nobody's going to beat Kennedy in 64 with all the money in the world. And the guy in the back says what if he doesn't run Nixon world? And then the guy in the back says what if he doesn't run Nixon? Says not a chance. And the guy looks at him, you know.
Speaker 1:So there's this Stone's painting, this picture. Here I the reason I can go off Stone's movies. I've read so many biographies that I actually agree with the artistic license that he took with the characters and like what's being displayed there. So he's, he's in Dallas on November 22nd 1963, goes back to New York where he's in a law firm. So he's, he's in dallas on november 22nd 1963. He goes back to new york where he's in a law firm and he's watching television. He sees ruby shoot oswald and as soon as this was in roger stone's book, the, the man who killed kennedy.
Speaker 1:When he sees ruby on, they said he went pale because he knew exactly who Jack Ruby was. He knew Jack Ruby. He had called Ruby as a witness when he was running the his case and he got Ruby's information from Lyndon Johnson's office. So all these little things are in. So Nixon knew something had gone down in Dallas. He wasn't read into it. He wasn't. I think again, I don't think it's coincidence that he was there. I think that somebody wanted to make sure he was either meeting with somebody or in doubt, like just to make sure that it was always the implication, implication, it's the implications. Like years later nobody could ever get george hw bush to say where he was on on that day and he never. I don't think he gave the same answer twice and a lot of times he just said he didn't remember.
Speaker 1:But yeah, you'd forget on that day, I'm sure his role off topic, but I remember this speaking of george Bush, one of the biographies, and this is 20 years ago, Mr.
Speaker 1:Anders, this is 20, I just remembered something from 20 years ago, but I was reading a book and I want to say it was one of the authors had done like the different presidents, but one of the things that that George HW Bush did in a meeting right before Nixon resigned. I believe at the time he was, you know, he'd been ambassador to China and then in the CIA I forget what role he was playing at the time but he said everybody got quiet at the table and he says sir, when are you planning on resigning? Like he just brought it up. Like are you planning on resigning? So like didn't, again, no support whatsoever, that's. That's, that's the bushes, right? I think we, we know them really. I know people, a lot of people, that have really bad misconceptions of reality. Like that's a guy I'd like to have a beer with well, he doesn't drink for one right and if he did?
Speaker 1:if he did, that's a guy you do not want to be anywhere around, I think that's all just an act.
Speaker 2:to be honest, I think he's just a nasty person.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about the whole Bush thing. That's a guy I'd like to have a beer with.
Speaker 2:Well, there's this one story A friend I know. He knew someone that's a photographer and does pretty well so he'd take photographs at these upscale events and W was at one. Apparently this guy has like a long I've never seen a long mustache, probably hipster looking. So when he was taking a picture of ww goes that's curly mustache picture boy. And that was it. That was in the interaction. So he made fun of his curly q mustache and then called him picture boy.
Speaker 1:I just want George W Bush to sign a copy of my Pet Goat for me.
Speaker 2:I think, if he's ever around here and there's a signing we've got to do my Pet Goat.
Speaker 1:I just want that one thing. I just want his autograph over my Pet Goat and probably bag us.
Speaker 2:We get a live one. They know too much.
Speaker 1:He knows the code, he read into it. So, just getting back to the entire theme of this, so Nixon's elected president, finally, in 1968. And this is the the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr, the assassination of Robert F Kennedy, medgar Evers, malcolm X I mean all these leaders, all these people.
Speaker 2:Gosh, there's an insinuation too in the movie. Remember when he was meeting with Hoover and they were talking about RFK? Yeah, I could shoot him. And one of the guys you remember that scene? Yeah, that's Clyde.
Speaker 1:There's all sorts and that's a real thing. They depict that very well, like he's taking like the lemon wedge out of the guy's mouth. Lyndon Johnson used to tell uh, hoover, you know, when they came down to the ranch and he said he'd call up Hoover because he's head of the FBI and Hoover had all the secrets and all the bodies are buried. He'd been there since the 20s. You know, he's always recordings of people.
Speaker 1:Lyndon knew that and lyndon played dirtier than anybody in this whole game. I mean this we should do a show soon on lyndon johnson. I mean you talk about rabbit holes, of weirdness. I mean it's a, that's a. Nixon didn't have that. By the way, I'm pretty honest with this, it doesn't. You know. Again, my study I've studied all these people and I find them to be different personalities, different tendencies. But Lyndon was a strange sort and I remember something that he would tell Hoover. He'd say come on down to the ranch and bring Clyde. You don't bring Clyde, you bring Clyde with you. So he would tell him bring your boy, and Clyde was his live so he was. He would tell him you know, bring your boy. Yeah, and uh, clyde uses live in, you know, chum, his friend, right what did Clyde do?
Speaker 2:was he a photographer? What did he do? Do you know his background? I do not know.
Speaker 1:I was just curious, I don't know. He just kind of shows up. Yeah, you know he's friends with, with Hoover and and I don't know. I think he works. I think he did have a role in the bureau, if I'm not mistaken, but he definitely worked alongside. So this whole thing. Nixon inherits the country in turmoil. You know Wallace, but Wallace was shot in in. Wallace gets shot in 68, george Wallace Is it 68 or 72 that he gets shot? I'm not sure that one escapes me. I'll have to look that one up, go over. You know, let me look that up real quick and go over it. What do you got something on your notes? Where are we at? We still on the? We still on track? Are we on track one or track?
Speaker 2:two.
Speaker 1:Let me go through my flashcards real quick.
Speaker 2:They, my flashcards are color coordinated. No, I mean, I think we're just building up um to what he inherited. And then you know what came out watergate like. I think nixon read about it in the miami herald and he's like what idiots would do that right, break into the, the dnc. And why would you? Why wouldn't you just go to the mGovern complex? They were running the campaign, if you're interested in those things.
Speaker 2:And the official account is they were going to fix a bug, right? I think that's why Howard Hunt was on the detail who was CIA. And then he had four Cubans who were CIA assets taking pictures, right, and they all got caught red-handed but Nixon had nothing to do with it. And they all got caught red handed but Nixon had nothing to do with it. But it was Gordon Liddy, who is the FBI, who is actually running for Nixon's campaign, the counter general.
Speaker 2:In January of that year so about six months before it happened, the CIA helped make charts and the CIA isn't supposed to conduct business right in the United States, but they were and Nixon didn't know about it. And the other role of the Central Intelligence Agency is to collect intelligence to give to the president and Nixon was not in the know on this right. He wasn't protected in any way. So everything of it reeks of a setup and they used the same crew that had botched something earlier. Right, we were talking about the psychiatrists, the Pentagon Papers and how they broke into the psychiatrist's office in Los Angeles looking for details about the leaker. Yeah, ellsberg.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they didn't find anything on Ellsberg. And you're talking about how Howard Hunt was wearing like a red wig. They couldn't pick the locks, so they just broke into the office. It's like their police report was generated.
Speaker 1:They're trying to get caught.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so you see that and you're like that's the team I want. No-transcript, not even close. Massachusetts was the one state and then the district of columbia, so I don't even know why they have electors. I don't even understand the purpose of that amendment, but I think the whole point of it was to disrupt the campaign. And and if that didn't work, the second plan, plan B, was impeachment. Right, to get rid of him and void that.
Speaker 2:But again, you're looking at somebody who is democratically elected, right, they always like to use that and the deep state is subverting the will of the people. Right, and even with everything that came out with the leaks, and I'll let you take that with the Washington Post. But I mean, woodward used to be an intelligence officer in the Navy. Oh, no way, no way. He's like Jack Postbeaker, however you say it, jack in the box. They say he can't write, which is probably an exaggeration. I mean, he doesn't have a good editorial style of writing, but he gets a job at the Washington Post and one of the first things that falls in his laps is this oh, it's just such luck.
Speaker 1:Well, by the way, no, he's one of the best. I was making sure my timeline was right. I don't want to give anything inaccurate on the show, but sometimes I do have to cross-reference myself. But yeah, thing inaccurate on the show. But uh, sometimes I do have to cross-reference myself. But yeah, it was 1972. Brimmer shoots wallace in may of 72. I I kind of assumed that, but I was thinking about the timeline of 68. It was wallace. You know really drains out when he ran in 68 to george wallace. And you know segregationists and I think curtis lemay was his running mate in 1968. You know there's kind of the military-industrial complex and so they. You know Nixon wins the presidency. It's not a mandate, it's not. I mean, he just has enough electoral college votes, gets in. The country is high to Vietnam. I believe the Tet Offensive was what Was it? Tet Offensive was 67, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:And sounds right and so Cronkite says we, we can't win the war is unwinnable.
Speaker 2:He does the best narration. He really does Bohemian Grove.
Speaker 1:I mean the voice of my favorite character is the 50 foot Moloch representation in the building Like a giant owl, Because that's all he does.
Speaker 2:Who who's here?
Speaker 1:Who controls everything? Who? No, it's definitely the voice of the. Have you ever heard Cronkite's? Have you ever heard when he was given a speech on, uh, on, on one world government? And he was a proponent of one world government and he said, uh, some people say that, uh, the only time that we'll have one world government or world government is it's the antichrist. And he was like well, let me say and I'm just paraphrasing because let me say unequivocally here that I will serve at the right hand of the city Well, I played the club Ringing endorsement.
Speaker 2:And I'm like.
Speaker 1:I mean, why would you even go there? Man Like he's, like I? Just a lot of those people take it seriously. Well, they think that if we just get rid of governments and national sovereignty and there's one council of one thing, then there's no wars. But what they fail to recognize is all of history ever it's like. Do you realize what happens? Ok, so there'll be no Saddam Husseins if there's a world government. Well, what happens if Saddam Hussein takes over the world government? You idiot, right, but that's what they don't, perloff brings that up in his book right.
Speaker 2:I'm borrowing from Perloff and when Nixon met Mao. I mean Nixon kept talking about peace and prosperity and Mao was like you're worried about peace everywhere. It's like the conflict is within not to quote Mao.
Speaker 1:Well, mao said that history is a symptom of our disease. Right, you know, it's like I killed millions of people, you killed millions of people and it's just, yeah, that stone really captured. That was a weird interchange.
Speaker 2:I know, because he didn't want to offend him, you know. So he was very, very nice in his interactions.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't know if I could have done something like that in his place and not said well, that's a good point. So Nixon's president 68, he decides that he opened up China, he's going to open China, and he does this before the second term. People say wait till the second term. He said, no, that'll get me a second term. He's very worried about legacy, wanted big picture stuff, and that's why he brings in kissinger's you know, tied to the rockefellers, and kissinger even. I mean, you talk about a dangerous human being, uh, kissinger, as, as a professor at harvard, had written a book on how to use and successfully carry out limited nuclear warfare. Now just step back for a second. Is there such a thing? Democratic socialism? Limited nuclear warfare, limited nuclear warfare Because it won't kick off other nuclear weapons. Yeah, okay, so you know, kissinger gets in.
Speaker 1:But Nixon really had the idea of communism as a monolithic block. You know, like, you have Red China, you have the Sovietviet empire, you, you have all these, like cuba, you have all these south american entities and african entities. And he says, well, what if we're able to take china once and for all? We've rested away from the soviet influence and, by the way, he's picking up on the soviets and the. The chinese had shooting wars on their borders, these old borders that were established by the Russian czars, that were in dispute, right, so they were actually fighting, yeah, even though they're tied together with the so-called ideology of communism.
Speaker 1:So Nixon comes in in 72. This is after. I mean Vietnam is raging on because he can't really get out. He's pulling troops out, but he's trying to start an all-volunteer military. He's bombing hanoi more tonnage dropped on north vietnam than in all of world war ii. Right, he's just bombing the north vietnamese. Uh, running the bombing campaigns.
Speaker 1:Um, he wants to bring him to the, to the table, he wants to end the war, but he also, at the same, he's like we can't just leave. We've got this. You know the world stage, everybody's watching us. Will we fulfill our commitments? All this stuff.
Speaker 1:And people don't remember it's the height of the Cold War and we'd had the Cuban Missile Crisis. We almost ended the entire country, we almost ended the world A couple of times, right, couple of times, um, right on the brink of things. So you know, it's in hindsight look back and like the soviet union's gone now, but it was, uh, the mighty soviet empire, I mean, and they had. You know, they were first in space with sputnik and had nuclear submarines, and I see they still have all that stuff. They have icbms, intercontinental ballistic missiles. All this stuff, all this weaponry. They've got massive land power and resources. Nixon does this opening of china and, whether you agree or disagree, it was a big move, yeah, and it's like trump going to north korea right similar in the same vein, I mean trump's north korea deal, not as big of course.
Speaker 1:Trump wasn't successful. No, because he hired the mustache john bolton to come help him, which is well trump. Trump hires the I mean you can make your own decision about why.
Speaker 2:That's the thing about trump all the things he said he was going to do the first time he's going to do this time. The reason he didn't do it the first time is he hired bad people. He's hiring good people now. Case in point meet jd vance. That's, that's what does it give me when I talk to people and you know I I hope I'm wrong. I really do. Um, my vanity doesn't go above. You know things working out. I'd rather that happen, but I just don't see it. So I feel really bad for people just putting I'm looking at the meter here.
Speaker 1:I detected no sarcasm. And this is supposed to this thing on. Is this thing? It's supposed to have a sarcasm meter on my roadcaster? No, I agree with you. It's kind of like that Nixon opens, this is a huge thing, but China's like.
Speaker 1:You know, pat Buchanan goes with Nixon to China and he hates it. He's like what are you doing? You know, because he's a cold warrior, like when Mao takes over mainland China, chiang Kai-shek, who we supported, goes to Formosa, which is Taiwan, right, and that's all. Through the Korean War, macarthur's cry is I'm going to release Chiang, I'm going to release Chiang Kai-shek and all his troops from Formosa to come fight with us in South Korea on the 38th parallel to take on communist China. So the cold warriors had always been. You know, defend Taiwan with your life. You know we, it's freedom and all that.
Speaker 1:And then so Nixon and Kissinger just give a verbal promise to Mao that they agree with a one China policy, which means Taiwan is gone, like we just basically that the bargaining chip was. You can't really take it, but we agree in theory that you are one people with one country, and you know taiwan is, you know, belongs to china, and so that was the bargaining chip. Uh, it brings a lot of things to to the table. One, the he's able to do the salt treaty, right after that, which is strategic's armed limitations agreement right with brezhnev. And there's this he's making big moves and he's, you know, even after the Cambodian incursion he goes in, he's doing the massive bombing raids of North Vietnam. Vietnam ends like he's bringing the troops home and he's opened China. But then the Pentagon Papers hit, which, by the way, daniel Ellsberg, a psychiatrist operator inside the intelligence community. The Pentagon Papers had nothing to do with Nixon's administration, it was the Johnson administration.
Speaker 2:He was saying it was an illegitimate war from the get-go Right and it was top secret and they knew it was going to be published. It was held up in court for a while. There are like 29 injunctions, I want to say, to keep it from being published. And then it was published. And that's what gets me that nobody got in trouble for publishing top secret things. And that's how you can really tell when there are real whistleblowers like Snowden, and then there are not real whistleblowers, because the real whistleblowers always get in trouble. We talked about that on our UFO show, right, About all those other things that were leaked to the New York Times showing the Tic Tacs and all that. If that's not on purpose by the deep state or by the government, if it's not leaked that way, then they get in trouble.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so, but you're right. And then you go, look through all. You read Hidden History by our mutual friend Don Jeffries. You read Hidden History. You're going to see what happens to real whistleblowers and it's not pretty, it's not. It's not again, it's not.
Speaker 2:That's what I didn't understand about this guy in particular. I was like well, didn't the CIA have more direct ways of taking care of people than finding their psychiatrist's office in Los Angeles and trying to find things he said during client sessions? Yeah, so that's where.
Speaker 1:So Ellsberg comes on the scene. This is before the 72. You're so right. Ellsberg comes on the scene. Nixon looks at this and says well, we this is a message we got to take care of all leakers, you know, and so they established the domestic intelligence program inside the Y, and of course, there's also the plumbers, and the plumbers are there to plug leaks. They're plumbers.
Speaker 2:We always have plumbing problems during elections. You notice that. Well, you also notice that too. River Georgia.
Speaker 1:They also had the same group was the Committee to Re-elect the President, also known as CREEP.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's how they pronounce it that's the committee to re-elect the CREEP. So they have CREEP running with the plumbers and inside this and you watch the movie, which I recommend doing. The opening scene, basically when he's in the Oval Office, when he's talking this is in 72, just after the break-in, they inform him, they inform nixon, they said you know this, this whole thing went on with, uh, the deal. The burger league is like, yeah, what's going on with that? And nixon nixon's asking questions. He didn't order it right, they just have this thing that took on a life of its own. They're like, um, well, they got a problem. He's like what's the problem? It's this guy named hunt and he goes howard hunt and like Howard Hunt's working for the White House Since when this is Disneyland. So he goes, he says something, he's on the list of horribles and I know who he is and what he tracks back to. So there's like a line in there about track one, track two. So track one was the. What's the breakdown of track one? This is like the invasion.
Speaker 2:Right, and track two is the assassination attempt, yeah, which I gave the green light on and that it wasn't successful and that's why nixon keeps saying just pay him.
Speaker 1:You know, get rid of this guy, right? It's like just pay him and that's where the smoking gun, all that stuff gordon liddy wanted like a million dollars or something.
Speaker 2:Ridiculous too, because he was kind of like the, the officer in charge of the plumbers, and Howard Hunt kind of telling them what to do. But they were just running wild and it's just all CIA. You know, it was apart from anything Nixon had agreed to. He had no knowledge of it. So they already got the people, they caught them red-handed right, so it should be no problem.
Speaker 2:So the thing that they went to next was the conspiracy to hide right, to hide information, and that's where they started trying to go after nixon right the urban committee came into play because somebody for the election right, because somebody in his administration right, said there are tapes and then they wanted the tapes and it became this power struggle wasn't it john sirica john sirica was the judge. Yeah, right, um, oh, alexander butterfield was the guy butterfield was the one that said there were tapes.
Speaker 1:Butterfield that said there was the tapes, right, so yeah. So what you have to understand, folks, what we're talking about, is that the watergate break-in. If you look at it, it's not like okay. Well, nixon was power hungry and paranoid and mad. He wanted people to break into the Democratic National Committee. For what purpose? That's a great question. He was winning.
Speaker 2:He was crushing it.
Speaker 1:Yes, so what was the purpose? Right, so these guys are running around gathering intelligence. Now they're way off. So if you look at some of the reasons that have been thrown out, there is that there was an illegal donation by Howard Hughes. Yes, but see also, howard Hughes had also helped out Donald Nixon and actually bailed him out of a bad business venture years before, and so Howard Hughes tried to keep himself plugged into everything. Matter of fact, one of the last letters that Howard Hughes hughes wrote rfk before he's assassinated was like a letter. He's like hey, I'm shooting from the hip here, but you know that's what he, I'll tell you. Open the letter about something that he wanted from rfk use places, uh, plays a role here. There's something about use, but they want to go after that, so anytime I think of hughes.
Speaker 2:It's just bringing the milk, bringing the milk With a 45 degree angle. I'll reach into the bag with my left hand.
Speaker 1:This is where it gets weird, because Nixon finds out about the deal and he wants to stop Right. He wants to make sure this thing gets turned off. So he sends Bob Haldeman over to talk to Richard Helms, the head of the CIA, sends him over to Pat Gray. The FBI Wants to turn all of this off. And the reason he wants to turn all this off? He says he goes, you tell him it's going to open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again.
Speaker 2:Right, and so they were trying to protect the people who were involved, that were part of the CIA, from the FBI investigation. It reminded me because we watched it recently Burn After Reading, right, Was it? Jk Simmons, Is that the actor's name? And he's someone in the upper echelons of the CIA and they're describing what's going on and they're like you want to get the FBI involved? He goes, don't get those idiots involved.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like the same thing, right, but that's what he got in trouble for and that there was that intermediate connection to who was kind of funneling the money from howard hughes and some of these other prominent democrat donors that were giving money to nixon's campaign that supposedly they were trying to protect too, because that would all come out or be divulged at the cia assets or whomever they were were interviewed, interviewed, and that guy's name was I didn't even know who it was Ken Dolberg. And when they told Nixon that Nixon goes, who the hell is Ken Dolberg? He had no idea what was going on in any of this. But because of the tape saying these are the directives, that these guys from the CIA aren't going to be interviewed, they argued that was a cover-up and then it became like in the Urban Committee? What did Nixon know?
Speaker 1:and when did he know?
Speaker 2:it. And that's when it just became a witch hunt and they were just looking for a crime. And that's why they wanted the tapes. And you can understand why Nixon didn't want to give the tapes. I mean, there's separation of powers for one, but those are his tapes. Well, I don't want somebody going through everything. I say Well, I don't want somebody going through everything.
Speaker 1:I say Well, you have to black it out the same way, if you watch the movie too and I think a lot of this actually did transpire there's these weird breakaways where Nixon shows up at Langley, shows up to talk to Dick Helms, right, right, and there's this standoff. You know where he's, like you, like Richard Helms says that's certainly not CIA policy and Nixon says the CIA has no policy except what I give you. But the CIA believes that they have policy. So I really think you're talking about the same entity that did the JFK assassination I don't care, I mean there's plenty of scholarship there. The same entity that did MKUltra assassination I don't care, I mean that I think there's plenty of scholarship there. The same entity that did mk ultra. The same entity that's, you know, running their psychiatrists or setting up people like charles manson. And so these people, their morals or their, their, what they're trying to carry out, doesn't look like policy. It's it chaos they had. Operation Chaos was what they called it in 1960.
Speaker 2:That's what they teach, right? Even Mike Pompeo bragged about it. We lie, we cheat, we steal. We take classes. I worry about him. Did he eat a tapeworm or something? Been losing a lot of weight? But yeah, he said exactly that.
Speaker 1:He's in the Ozempics.
Speaker 2:I got a gold medal in the Ozempics. I got a gold medal in the Ozempics. He looks like Hellraiser. There's just a fucking he's so neat. I got the Ozempics, but yeah he said at West Point you're told to not lie, cheat and steal In the CIA. That's what they tell you exactly to do. I mean, american Made is another movie that's pretty interesting. But what they do with tom cruise's character at the end, just get rid of him he's disposable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, you're discarded asset, right? So I think what you're watching when you really rewind the tape, you know, no pun intended with an 18 and a half minute gap is nixon knows how these guys operate. Howard hunt's involvement points back to his involvement with these same people that had operations that were not disclosed to the public Right and that would have stained Eisenhower's reputation, would have stained his own reputation, all these things that were happening that JFK inherited, that he didn't know. Then he fires Allen Dulles after the Bay of Pigs and all these generals and the Joint Chiefs and all this stuff, and then they murder him in Dallas. So I just look at it and I say, look, there's something happening here in this 1972 going into 73, where I believe this is the last days of when we what we conceive of as the presidency that is autonomous outside of the deep state.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And again, I criticize Nixon for all kinds of things. I mean, his favorite president was Woodrow Wilson. He had the Woodrow Wilson's desk. I can despise the gold standard to the gold standard and I think, looking back on it, did troops need to die in vietnam to make that point? You know there's so much, I think, that haunted him, but there's things I wouldn't have done, right, yeah, so I'm not in any way a fan boy or something or like he can do, I just see it. But that was the last of the. If you can rewind the tape and look at it yourself, you will see. I think you see the same conclusion. That was the last time we made big moves. We don't do that anymore, not unless it's in conjunction with what intelligence wants. So even the Reagan presidency had handlers and Reagan probably wasn't even all there at the last, the last days of his presidency. I think there was a lot of things that how?
Speaker 2:old was he? He was younger than Trump, would be Right. And if he, he won Now.
Speaker 1:I want to. I want to say Reagan was born, I think, in 1911, something like that. So, yeah, I mean, he was up there. He was up by the time his presidency ended and I went to Reagan's funeral. Did I ever tell you that? No, yeah, when I just got back from Iraq. I went to. He died in June of 2004. And I actually went. If you can go and I bet you can find it in the C-SPAN archives I actually went, Are you?
Speaker 2:there yes.
Speaker 1:Are you there? Yes, are you really? I'm in the somewhere. I mean, I was there. There was cameras everywhere. I went to the steps, it's like.
Speaker 2:John Booth showing up in the. He's everywhere.
Speaker 1:I'm a time traveler. It's funny, we were. It doesn't even fit the period I got to see like Nancy walk down the steps with his body, like they were bringing the body out, and then he she gets escorted down. I stood at the base of the steps of the Capitol and they brought the body down and put it in the hearse and then, if you see the hearse, drive in front like I'm standing right off the steps of the Capitol.
Speaker 1:I spent I went up there and spent the night and then went to his funeral. Yeah, Pretty crazy. I decided that was a history. I needed to see so somewhere in the archives history.
Speaker 2:I needed to see. So somewhere in the archives there's a young Tony Arterburn at the.
Speaker 2:You should go stay in room 214 at the Waterford, see what you can conjure up. Yeah, I think in that period you saw the emergence of what we now recognize as lawfare, right, I mean going after local adversaries, separation of powers. I mean that was a big deal, even when they got Nixon's vice president to resign, right, because the investigation just goes every which direction, which is what they want. They started going after John Dean because he embezzled campaign funds to take his wife on their honeymoon right, he got in trouble for that and the vice president apparently got Spiro Agnew yeah, he got knocked for tax evasion.
Speaker 1:Well see, they got to. First they had to get rid of Spiro Agnew and he resigned, right, but you got to make way for. Well, not really, ford was just a placeholder.
Speaker 2:But they wanted him what they really wanted was Rockefeller. Oh.
Speaker 1:And that's who they got. That's where they eventually got his vp. And, of course, what happens right after uh ford is installed. Or is this? There's an assassination attempt on ford which would have made rockefeller president right? It failed. Of course, ford has his own weird ties. Did you know that, ford?
Speaker 2:I just don't know, I don't know much about him he just seems like unoffensive in the things I was looking at. Like I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but the House really wanted him installed as VP and they told Nixon this is your only choice, it's going to be Ford. So they wanted him for a reason.
Speaker 1:I don't pretend to know about Ford's corruption entirely, to know about Ford's corruption entirely, but I do know that. And again, Ford seems like he's not like what you would consider your normal politician. There's a lot of drive there, but in it, Ford his actual, he had a different name. He was born with a different name. I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was not Gerald Ford. He died on my birthday, by the way. I remember this. I think he died on my birthday in 2006 or so. I'm just doing this off of memory. Um, but ford was on the warren commission right, I, I do remember that right right, right.
Speaker 1:So ford had already done his due diligence, kind of like arlen specter. Arlen specter was. He eventually was rewarded with being a senator in pennsylvania for many, many, many, many years, because he's the one that came up with the magic bullet theory, you know. Then, kind of that ties into john connelly. John connelly was riding in the car, that's where you get the magic bullet, but that's also who worked for nixon as secretary of the treasury, all these things. It's funny, my friend, uh, you know, our, our congressman from when we were kids, you know, was ralph all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was friends with john nice guy, he let me sit in his chair.
Speaker 1:He's a good, he's my friend and he he told me stories about, uh, he was real good friends with john connelly and uh, he said, whenever election time would roll around, connelly put that wrist brace back on. So he would. He would say, oh, what you're running for now, since you got your wrist, because that's where the magic bullet you know. So anyway, um, a lot of what you want to unpack here and the whole thing with nixon and watergate is it's not what you think. It is. Like you go back to oh, it's a third-rate burglary and all this stuff. And, and nixon, what did he know? When did he know it? Folks? The just james clapper's perjury, which he perjured himself. James clapper, former head of the nsa, he perjured himself when they said that they didn't collect mad metadata and they don't harvest all this, all your data, all this stuff that they absolutely do. No such agency no, so agency.
Speaker 1:NSA is no such agency. Watergate is conducted on a massive scale, 100,000 times a microsecond, by these agencies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why don't you talk about the leaker to the Washington Post? Who that was?
Speaker 1:Oh, deep Throat, Deep Throat. Yeah, it was a guy named Mark Felt. He was under pat gray at the fbi and uh, there's, you know, he's this here. People thought that they had all so many different suspects like was it kissinger? Is it pat buchanan? Is it who was deep throat, you know? Because they were insisting that it was somebody within the administration, all it was was the guy who was just getting the, the reports and being able to just leak in it, just leak in it because he was disgruntled.
Speaker 2:He was mad at Nixon. He didn't get to be the FBI director when Hoover left.
Speaker 1:It's all personal, yeah, so think about that.
Speaker 2:It's the intelligence agencies that are subverting the will of the people and leaking all this information to get Nixon out of office, to get him to resign Right, and they impeached him Right. They're going to go ahead with that, but that just boggles the mind. And then the Supreme court ruled eight to zero. Like you have to turn over those tapes. If I was Nixon, I just say no. Well, you know, I'll tell you we were going to discuss this. That's what people say these days. They just go no, I don't care, right. What about the moratorium with Biden? He just said I know this is unconstitutional, I'm going to do it anyways. That's right.
Speaker 1:Well, it kind of goes back to the founding of the country and what role the Supreme Court's actually supposed to have, and like Andrew Jackson, you know, with his move on the Cherokee, which I don't agree with. But the Supreme Court ruled against him and Andrew Jackson said OK, you've made your ruling, now enforce it. I have the army. And that's the way that the president used to look at the Supreme Court, you know, john Marks, it was like it was supposed to be the weakest of all the branches.
Speaker 2:And we've since built it up into this imperialism where we're you know, know these tyranny of the black robe and all that. But I mean, it's a, it's a dicey game once you start thinking that way and playing that way. But no, they have no right to access that so they can find something incriminating to embarrass me or others, to force them to resign, like this is a hit job. That's all.
Speaker 1:This is what pat buchanan told nixon to do was that he should have a party. Go and burn them on the White House lawn.
Speaker 2:I was hoping so before we started. I didn't know this, Because this is a young. Pat Buchanan, who was a fighter, and I said I know what I'd do and what I would have done. When I was thinking about it, I was like I would have burned them In front of everybody.
Speaker 1:And so Buchanan said we should have a party and just burn them. And he's like you can't destroy evidence, you can't legally destroy it. And so there's this, this fight over. You know what he said, and I think this is. This is somebody who's trying to cover up his, his past actions that have nothing to do with the event that sparked it, which is bizarre. So it again. His involvement in track one and track two in the 50s working eisenhower is involved. This is the young, you know, the cia folks wasn't put into effect until the document nsc 68, which appeared in 1947, just after Roswell, by the way, so after Roswell.
Speaker 2:The aliens told us to do it.
Speaker 1:There's something about Majestic 12 and all that stuff. That's weird, but that's where you get the birth of the CIA. You get the birth of the NSA, the Air Force. It's the birth of the national security state. Folks, it's 1947. Just following Kenneth Arnold at Mount Rainier with the flying saucers and Roswell.
Speaker 2:I just would have tried to play hardball more. I mean hindsight's 20-20,. But you have to acknowledge too, up to this point nothing had gone this far. Nixon was the first president pushed to this point, right to resign. It's never happened before. It's never happened before.
Speaker 1:Never happened since, and so I remember years ago I was, you know, I was walking my dog Layla and listening to Don Jeffrey's books, like I did long before I would broadcast with Don, and he said the same thing in his book Hidden History. He was like, for some reason, the press was activated and then never activated again, like it's such an anomaly that you need to pay attention to, and I think what I think what we're doing here is trying to give a better explanation of why that any of this happened. It's not what you know. There was a break in and there was a subversion of democracy. It's none of that, you know. It's not. Even there was no success.
Speaker 1:He was going to crush them anyway. I mean they had a tear.
Speaker 2:The McGovern campaign was awful and you knew he could have pardoned everybody who was a part of it in the beginning, right?
Speaker 1:He could have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just pardon them and be done with it. There's nothing left to investigate. But he didn't do that. He was probably trying to play by the rules, play kind, play nice, and he just kept feeding the monster and they eventually wanted it.
Speaker 1:But I, but I think, I think that at the end of the day, the monster that was coming for him was intelligence. Yes, it's deep state, and I don't think they like the moves that he was making. I don't think they like them. And again, the if you watch the interchange between dick helms at the cia and nixon in the movie they're angry that they're going to be dealing with china and opening china. They're angry that there's you know that cuba will be a consolation prize that basically will leave it alone. You know right. And then kissinger put it in writing, which it was a verbal promise that kennedy would give in khrushchev. But kissinger puts it right nixon's trying to reshuffle the grand chessboard right. And the cia saw it a lot differently. We did a lot of legwork on this.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I, I agree with you um 100 on that and I don't think there's. I wasn't around then, obviously, but um, I don't think anyone's been as detested by the media as nixon and told trump and there's all sorts of um, regardless of what your um opinion is of trump. There are a lot of parallels between the January 6th committee and the Irvin committee. I mean it was four to three in favor of the Democrats. But, more importantly, there are no advocates who are Republicans for either person, nixon or Trump. I mean you have Adam Kinzinger in there. Right, we're laughing.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know if it's just from that one fart that Swalwell lit out on air one time and then just kept going ahead. But there's something about Kinzinger. It looks like he could clear a room with a fart, like he would just squeeze out an onion, and that's why I was telling you, that's probably why he's crying all the time. That's his curse. But you had him and Liz Cheney. You had nobody who was going to be an advocate for Trump in that, nobody who is going to be an advocate for Trump in that, and Nixon didn't either, and the point of that was just to go to split off in all these other directions and start investigating these other things, like even in New York. Right, they knew the statute of limitations was going to pass, so they needed it to be a felony, but they didn't know what that was right Until the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, make it up as they go along.
Speaker 2:So you see these same sort of parallels and I think the lesson with Nixon is to understand where this is coming from.
Speaker 1:Well, another thing too the end of the Vietnam War, nixon told the North Vietnamese that if there was an incursion he'd hit them again. And had he remained president when they overwhelmed the South in 75, he would have done massive retaliation and bombing. I'm not saying that that's right. What I'm saying is there's a chance not a great one, but there's a chance that there would be a free South Vietnam at this point. Now. Does it even matter? I mean it's funny. Does it even matter? I mean it's funny.
Speaker 1:I, with all of our free trade policies and the sadness of globalization, there's, there's vietnam vets walking around here on hunting ranches. We, in coveralls made in vietnam, you know like it's, like I noticed, like I was looking at some of the clothing at a deer ranch and it was out. I was out with a couple vietnam vets and I'm like you know some of the stuff's made in vietnam. It's bizarre. We buy it, you know, and it's right. And we had millions of people died and we bought, dropped all this tonnage, and you know, all of you know the tens of thousands of troops that died and hundreds of thousands remained, and all that on our side and at the end of the day, we just buy stuff from them. So it may not have mattered. What I'm saying is, history would be different. Right, so there was. This was about policy not being respect.
Speaker 1:Like I think nixon saw himself as in a lot of the vein, like eisenhower or woodrow wilson, you know, as some kind of like he's gonna make big moves on the board. That was his. He was less concerned domestically, right then. He was just what his legacy was and on his tombstone, you know, when he, when he died in 94, he he has the word peacemaker, that's what he wanted to be was a peacemaker. Now, when I think a peacemaker, I think a jfk, because I think his rhetoric, his belief systems, I think that well, at least that the way it, the way it showed itself in public, was a lot more in line with that. I think Nixon believed it. I think Nixon had, you know, being the son of a Quaker and I think all that stuff bothered him. The things that he did, again, at the end of the day, the deep state, whatever you want to call that, the permanent governance, the stay behind the networks, the entrenched government that you don't see shadows, they had disagreements with him and they got rid of him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and no one really gotten that much trouble for this Like Woody, I think, had a 35 year sentence, went to prison for five years. But John Dean was the one right. He was the head of the council right Legally for Nixon.
Speaker 1:All the people that were loyal to Nixon got hurt from it. All the people that were turncoats got slaps on the wrist.
Speaker 2:That's what I was going to say. He was a turncoat and he was sentenced to five years, but he ended up just doing it in another facility for witness protection and then, after everything was said and done, they're like, yeah, time served, he's good for witness protection. And then, after everything was said and done, they're like yeah, time served, he's good. And then he becomes an MSNBC analyst. This is worse than Watergate every time.
Speaker 1:I learned the hard way. So Dean is Nixon's lawyer, right? And you think of oh man, I got attorney-client privilege. No, you don't. I need to tell you folks, I've been through. I don't want. Yeah, I need to tell you folks, I've been through. I don't want, I can't say names, but I've been through this and I will tell you that that is a myth of a myth and you will get run over if you believe it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's exactly what I wrote down about him. I was like what about attorney, client privilege?
Speaker 1:What about executive privilege?
Speaker 2:And they didn't care Right. And he was even disbarred. But he's written books about it. His wife's even written a book about Watergate. And then he talked about the smoking gun tape and he said it was just full of blanks in one of his books. He knew it was just misdirection.
Speaker 1:People made whole careers off this. Nothing Right, nobody really got in trouble for it. A lot of high drama and again scrape all of that. That and again scrape all of that. That doesn't matter. What matters is what policy was scrapped that the United States no longer had. We don't make any more big moves. This was what the Nixon president. It's the last of those big moves that were made and you can argue that Reagan had some of them with Gorbachev and Star Wars and SDI. There was some move, but not on the level of what Nixon did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the deep state at the end of it is like now we have another way to get rid of them. We perfected.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they perfected Kennedy was one way.
Speaker 2:It's a two-day job.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like, well, we'll leave them alive. Yeah, we'll leave them alive. They just figured that's a. Um, we can get rid of them in a soft way right, soft power, you know and then you can make the careers of people and all the rest of that that. I think there's something there, you know, and after 50 years, uh, looking back, it's it is, I think, the last of the, the presidencies that had major policy themes that were actually carried. I mean, you mentioned Trump and North Korea. Yeah, I just yeah, that was big, I thought that was great. And then he hires John Bolton and I go what are you doing? And then John Bolton kills it, yep, so he turns on Trump. It's like, do you do you know that there's a? There's a.
Speaker 1:I remember when I was back on the air for the first time and I'd follow, you know, mark Levin's show on. It was Freedom 1160 AM. I was doing a daily show in San Antonio. You're a patriot, tony, I'm a true patriot. And I remember somebody had. They were really excited. They were passing this around the internet. It was like, look at this wonderful painting that somebody had done. It was like Trump in the swamp, you know. So he's in a boat and he's got his flight jacket on. He's kind of George Washington over the Dell, across the Delaware, looking at everything and I forget who's all in the boat. But the one guy who's armed is John Bolton. He's John Bolton's in the boat with him.
Speaker 2:Don't give him the gun.
Speaker 1:I said that's what I said. He's behind you. I'm like what's going on? Mr President, that's what I did on air. I was like is anybody else frightened in this painting for what the mustache is like?
Speaker 2:I'm taking care of this. It's so funny you and I had the same reaction.
Speaker 1:I'm taking care of it. It's so funny. You and I had the same reaction. But if people, if you don't know, it's like all the Q and on people that I mean, I mean it's insufferable and it still goes on. Billy Ray Valentine shouts out to Billy Ray Valentine of the infinite fringe I, I, I got this wrong. I was like, well, hey, when 2020, when Trump's done otherwise, qanon will go away. It gets bigger and I don't know it's a perfect. I mean they do. They have like a fulcrum. They just captured the minds of a certain boomer demographic.
Speaker 2:See, you only have so much hope. I think that you can invest. It's a finite amount, and the thing that bothers me about things like that is you're investing in the wrong things. In my opinion. Big beans, but yeah, and the thing that got me, you know, watching the movie preparing for this about Nixon is it really bothered him. He was hated Because he was just trying to do the right thing and I just wanted to shake him at a couple points and say you're hated because you're on the right track.
Speaker 1:What did Jesus say? Another way of doing it. What did Jesus?
Speaker 2:say Remember, first it hated me, it's like. So start praying more. Just don't do it with Kissinger.
Speaker 1:Don't pray it. Well, that's again as we kind of wind up the show. I think we've given them enough to think about. At least that's what Paratruth will do is at least get you thinking in a different way. So you thinking in a different way. So nixon resigns.
Speaker 1:50 years ago is august 9th 1974 again. That's the last year that america ever ran a trade surplus in this country. That actually really bothered him. He saw that we were starting to consume more than we produced. That's not inside, not in within the american character, by the way. I mean, you give, I give him hell about the gold stuff. He didn't have any. I give him hell about it, but he made it possible.
Speaker 1:Ford eventually undid FDR's executive order. That's why you can legally own gold in America is because of Gerald Ford. Removing the gold standard made it possible for us to own gold. Fdr had made it illegal for you to own gold. The FDR had made it illegal for you to own gold. So now you can have real money. The dollar was a system that they'd started to take the silver out of the coinage in 65. Other countries took notice that we were writing checks that were beyond what we actually had in gold reserves. So countries cashing in? I don't think, nixon, really, without a complete top-down reformation of our financial system, we didn't have the gold. There was going to be a, there was going to be a run on the dollar some way or another.
Speaker 2:It just just it was done early this was touched on like very lightly in the movie. He was talking about japan and then at least taking all the gold, yeah, right, yeah, with like just give us a back in gold, please. Yeah, all the money, right, right. So it didn't really make a big point about discussing that aspect.
Speaker 1:But that really wasn't in any of the it's. That's more. You know me as a monetary guy. Like what did I study in my business and I just kind of look at that. But all these years later the the thing that always got me with this story is how it ends, at least the presidency. And I recommend anybody going back and looking at Nixon's last speech.
Speaker 1:Yes, on August 9th 1974. If you read like in the event, his watch stops that night. So he actually wakes up and thinks it's earlier and he looks at his watch and it just happened the entire time. His presence stops that night so his watch goes out and then he just stream of consciousness, comes out in front of everybody in the press and all his team and he's leaving and talks about his mother, talks about his father you know, he's a streetcar motorman and then he was a lemon ranch, you know, and then he was a grocer, he's like. But he's a great man because he did his job, you know, and this is a really beautiful story about his mother being a saint and talked about Teddy Rooseveltosevelt. You know, teddy roosevelt I don't think most people know this the 26th president.
Speaker 1:His wife and his mother died on the same day, unrelated to why they did, but they both got sick and died to different things that were unrelated. On the same day and teddy roosevelt wrote in his journal he said the light's gone out from my life and he went out. That's when he went out west, but nixon brings up. He said well, he said the light's gone out from my life and he went out. It's when he went out West, but Nixon brings up. He said well, he said the light had gone out from my life, but he goes, but that's he goes. But it wasn't true, he said, and he only went on to become president, and as president. You know we were discussing this before the show and I'm just doing this by memory. He's like arena, he's tempestuous, he was strong, sometimes right, sometimes wrong but he was a man Right, it's a great way.
Speaker 1:So he's looking at this and it's no notes. He's doing the stream of consciousness and he says you know, we think when we have a defeat, when we lose an election, when someone dear to us dies, that that's the end. He said not true. He says it's always the beginning, always. That's what I have tattooed on my arm. It says only when you've been in the deepest valley, do you know how magnificent it is to be on the highest mountain? I'm the only other guy besides Roger Stone that I know that has a Nixon-related tattoo. I didn't know he had a Nixon-related tattoo.
Speaker 1:Roger Stone actually has Nixon's face on his back. Oh yeah, I was thinking, oliver.
Speaker 2:Stone. Sorry, I said.
Speaker 1:Oliver Stone, didn't I? You said Roger.
Speaker 2:That's just the way my mind works. But the other good thing you said to his staff too, was about hate, right yeah?
Speaker 1:So those who hate you don't win. You can't hate them back, so they don't win. Those who hate you don't win, unless you hate them back, and then you destroy yourself.
Speaker 2:And you'd feel bad he'd go out with such class like that and then he just lives in disgrace, right, because he had to resign from the office.
Speaker 1:I highly recommend some other movies that capture post-presidency Nixon, which was a really interesting time for him. They still consult him. I mean Reagan, off the books. No one wanted to be interesting time for him like he. He's kind of an out. They still consult him like I mean reagan, because they off the books like no one wanted to be right like they didn't want to associate, but they would call them up.
Speaker 1:What do you think about this? You know, where would you do? They called him the sage of saddle river. He's up in new jersey, had a house in saddle river. Um, monica crowley did a great book. She was his like aid and, uh, she worked for him and she wrote a book called nixon in winter and it was really like he would just get concerned about where his books were and like what you know, he would talk about different philosophers that he read and you know, want to get in on policy and he'd fly around and go to places and I go to russia after the collapse of the soviet union and, um, did he see?
Speaker 2:bernie.
Speaker 1:On his flight back. There's just a lot of history that he took part in after the presidency. I highly recommend watching the movie Frost Nixon about David Frost. We should go watch that sometime. I'll come over and we'll get the dogs together and Bruno and Bing Bing, absolutely. And we'll watch Frost Nixon and bruno and bing bing absolutely. And uh, we'll. We'll watch, uh, frost nixon.
Speaker 1:That was a very well done movie. I haven't seen that one. Yeah, you're in for a treat. That's when he, david frost, who's like a, you know, he's like an adventurous kind of glamour reporter, you know it does, like you know, travels the world. He decides he wants to take on nixon and then he gets like nixon's an intellect of the highest order you're like, and he's he's tough and like he thinks he's gonna get like all these great questions answered and and invent you. So I don't want to spoil the movie, but nixon and the influencer yes, it was not like it was. What way do you want? You'll laugh when you see it sounds good, it's a, it's a good film, but at least give you something to think about. Ladies and gents here on, I forget what episode this. We're still in the twenties, we are, but we're going to get some, some new episodes out really soon.
Speaker 2:And what are you thinking on that front? Well, I talked about him very long back.
Speaker 1:We definitely want to get James Perloff back. I want to do some. I've got some other guests, ideas and people that I haven't. I don't want to mention their names cause I haven't gotten them to to okay it yet but should I not have said Perloff?
Speaker 1:No, I think James, I should, should be back. Don's got a new book out the American memory hole and we've got to talk to Don, yeah, so, um, I haven't read the book yet, but I anything by don jeffries I'm gonna, I'm gonna want to read, uh, but you know, we've got ideas. I want to do some stuff on on, uh, on mindset. We've got a lot of stuff going on with the monetary system and dives on that I'm going to release. I was on a podcast called the rabbit hole very. It was a fun show and I got this kind of in person like we're doing here, and there's been a lot of great reviews on it with her channel. So I'm going to release it on the paratroopers channel next week. So you guys and go follow her because, uh, she's got a great show over the rabbit hole conspiracies, um, but did I miss anything on the notes that we you really want me to go through my flashback?
Speaker 2:let's do it real quick and then and then no, we, we hit everything, man, um, all the high points for sure well, good, well, you never can in an hour they're always here if we need them well, this is forever.
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