Unveil the clandestine world of remote viewing with us as we explore the shadowy nexus of psychic espionage and its implications on historical and contemporary events. With the keen insight of Charlie Robinson, we dissect the military's covert use of these psychic techniques, delving into their roles from unearthing Osama bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks detailed by Jim Mars. Prepare to have your understanding of reality expanded; remote viewing might not be just a supernatural gift, but a skill that you can develop, potentially tapping into untapped human capabilities.
This episode isn't just a journey through the esoteric; it's a revelation of the hidden ties between remote viewing, UFO sightings, and the murky depths of secret government programs. Feel the chill as we discuss the potential influence of the CIA in Hollywood's portrayal of psychic phenomena, and consider the pivotal role of remote viewing in deciphering historical enigmas. As we honor the legacy of conspiracy analysts like Jim Keith and Jim Mars, we confront the enduring importance of their work in today's world of mysteries and hidden truths.
With each chapter, we pull back the curtain on a world where the line between science and mysticism blurs, examining the curious intersection of psychic phenomena with national security and privacy. Join us as we navigate through the potent force of remote viewing and consider its broader implications, from the mystifying narratives surrounding George H.W. Bush's funeral to the destruction of the Georgia Guidestones. Charlie Robinson's presence enriches the conversation, ensuring that even the most skeptical listener will leave considering the unseen forces at play in our everyday lives.
Unveil the clandestine world of remote viewing with us as we explore the shadowy nexus of psychic espionage and its implications on historical and contemporary events. With the keen insight of Charlie Robinson, we dissect the military's covert use of these psychic techniques, delving into their roles from unearthing Osama bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks detailed by Jim Mars. Prepare to have your understanding of reality expanded; remote viewing might not be just a supernatural gift, but a skill that you can develop, potentially tapping into untapped human capabilities.
This episode isn't just a journey through the esoteric; it's a revelation of the hidden ties between remote viewing, UFO sightings, and the murky depths of secret government programs. Feel the chill as we discuss the potential influence of the CIA in Hollywood's portrayal of psychic phenomena, and consider the pivotal role of remote viewing in deciphering historical enigmas. As we honor the legacy of conspiracy analysts like Jim Keith and Jim Mars, we confront the enduring importance of their work in today's world of mysteries and hidden truths.
With each chapter, we pull back the curtain on a world where the line between science and mysticism blurs, examining the curious intersection of psychic phenomena with national security and privacy. Join us as we navigate through the potent force of remote viewing and consider its broader implications, from the mystifying narratives surrounding George H.W. Bush's funeral to the destruction of the Georgia Guidestones. Charlie Robinson's presence enriches the conversation, ensuring that even the most skeptical listener will leave considering the unseen forces at play in our everyday lives.
According to several sources, remote viewing continues to be used within both the military and intelligence communities. Most recently, according to some sources, military-trained remote viewers have been used in the search for Osama bin Laden. Viewers were also used to help identify and locate the sniper around Washington DC in October of 2002. According to several news reports, in 2003, several experienced remote viewers were commissioned by this author to make a remote viewing study of the people in circumstances surrounding the 9-11 attacks. This is the book the Terror Conspiracy by Jim Mars. Welcome to another episode of Pair of Truth. There, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Tony Arteburn. I'm joined by the A-Team, my top researchers. I've got Mr Anderson's back. Welcome to your own show, sir.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, Tony. I thought you said this was going to be on the Gulf of Tonkin now, so it's been about two days.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is really unfortunate for you. False news, false flags, sir. Sorry about that. Chris Graves, welcome back to Pair of Truth, or, sir, your own show.
Speaker 3:Hey, thank you very much and yeah, I was not in Building 7 in 2001 at all.
Speaker 1:I swear, I was in high school. Just the okay, just non-sequitur, and were you supposed to be the third plane? We'll have to figure that one out.
Speaker 3:I was big enough. I was big enough to be a third plane.
Speaker 1:yes, All right, here's the gentleman whose passport was found in the rubble Charlie Robinson, host of Macro Aggressions, author of the Octopus of Global Control, the control demolition of the American Empire. I could keep going with your bibliography, sir, but so appreciate you being here to go over some of this weird history with us of remote viewing, esp, psychic warfare. I thought we'd just do a Pair of Truth, or on that. Anyway, welcome, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4:I love. Thank you for having me. I love this stuff. I don't know the ins and outs of it, I'm not sitting in these meetings, but the idea of psychic spies and remote viewing and tapping into this stuff gets in your brain. If the first time you ever do healthy dose of mushrooms, you start to understand that there is a world outside of the world that you are familiar with and there's all sorts of things that can go on out there.
Speaker 4:So first time you hear about remote viewing, you're very dismissive of it. Oh, come on. Oh, men who stare at goats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about that. That's nonsense. That's Uri Geller bending spoons with his mind. That's silliness.
Speaker 4:And then you start to read into it because we're all in the same field, we're looking at this stuff, and you start to go hey, listen man, the CIA spent a lot of money on this. This is really important to them for a reason. There's something here. How do they know that there's a ring around Jupiter? Before the probe gets there, they go nah, you're seeing Saturn. No, I know what Saturn looks like. I'm telling you, there's a ring around Jupiter. What's going on here? There's something happening and I think it's fascinating. And anytime you get the intelligence agencies working on this stuff, it just makes it a little bit more heightened in terms of a priority. Like, hey, we should pay attention to it, because it doesn't matter if we think it's hocus pocus. They don't. They think it's real and worthy of their time. If they're looking into it, then we have to watch, because there's probably something there, there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they funded it for decades and probably still funded. I think they like to so-called end these projects and then they get transferred to another department and that timeline ends for whatever they were under, but it moves somewhere else. It doesn't actually ever end, especially when what you were listing off, charlie, like these, are documented facts, like cases where you talk about the rings around Jupiter. Was that Ingo Swan? Yes, yes, yeah, there's another book that Jim Mars did Sci-Spies. It was the origin story of this. Then you get, like you mentioned, the men who stare at goats with George Clooney. I watched that in theaters.
Speaker 1:There was a lot of it that traced everything back to Fort Bragg, which that's where I was stationed for five years. Fort Bragg was home of the special operations and special forces and Delta Force and some of those same operas. Those are things that actually go on, like when they had the scene where you see somebody throw the grenade into where the goats are and the goats blown up and then you have to go in there and save. That's what the SF used to do. I don't know if they still do it, but that's what they used to do. They toss a fragmentation grenade and hit a goat and you have to go and save the goat, which is really you know that's some twisted stuff, but that's what they did to try to get a little life trauma practice.
Speaker 1:So a lot of that scenery it was showed like wama kawari hospital, like that's Fort Bragg. Well, let's go over a little bit. This is a real program inside the intelligence and defense department going back Probably I don't know I'll throw this to Mr Anders I'm thinking we're at least beginning of the 20th century. Really A lot of the stuff that's really popularized in the 70s. I think maybe decades afterwards. We actually were working on some of this stuff, but I have no way of knowing that officially. Mr Anders, what did you get on timelines for remote viewing funding by the US government or intelligence communities? Do you get an origin or a date?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think I have a specific date to point to right now. I mean, what I really focused on was what went on at Stanford, so the Stanford Research Institute, because, as Charlie was discussing, the CIA launched a remote viewing and psychic espionage programs there and that's where Ingo Swann came in and a bunch of others. And it does seem kind of silly when you think about it from afar. Maybe not a mushrooms, it doesn't sound so silly, but you have to remember, as Charlie said, they invested a lot of resources into these programs, like ARPA, predecessor of DARPA, was very involved in this in addition to the CIA. And it's not like how we spend money now where Rand Paul rattles off his government waste, or what I call Rand Paul's flag waste, talking about 2 million to study whether kids dislike food that sneezed on or other bullshit like that. They were very interested in whether or not people could remote views, particularly things that were happening in Soviet Russia at the time.
Speaker 2:So one of the most interesting cases I came across was Joe McMonigal, charlie, I'm sure you're familiar with him and he's referred to remote viewer number one in the Stargate project which really kicked off in 1978. And he's a retired US Army chief warren officer and he was doing some work with the National Security Council, and they actually put into an envelope this satellite photograph and said you know, this is the target, concentrate on us and tell us what's surrounded here. And it was this building in Soviet Russia at the time. And one behold, he starts describing that he sees advanced welding going on and it looks like two holes of a submarine being constructed together and they're like there's no way that that could be that large and they'd be able to construct it that way because it'd be crushed. And this kind of pissed him off and he said well, in roughly a few months you're going to see that they're going to launch it. And they did.
Speaker 2:And it was the Soviet typhoon submarine which is highlighted in the movie hunt for Red October. So there are a lot of instances like this that, like Charlie, kind of discussed as well that you know, ingo Swan and the rings at Jupiter that make you think. Well, even if they miss a lot I mean, shaq missed a lot of free throws and he's still pretty good NBA player, so maybe there's something to this.
Speaker 1:Well, that is interesting. I mean, you have again more and more documented facts. This continues to be funded by intelligence. It's and there was a book. We're just go ahead.
Speaker 3:Chris. Well, it said that a Stargate project was terminated and declassified in 95 after the CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data and there were suspicions of interjudge reliability. And, as you mentioned before, the program was featured in the book and then later the film the Men that Stare at Goats and Major General Albert Stubblebein, who I mentioned earlier. He later became the president of the Monroe Institute and basically, like what Mr Anderson was saying, that it was basically to, you know, have military applications and for different targets. And there was all kinds of other code names like Gondola, wish, stargate, grille, flame Center, lane Project, sf Sunstreak, scanate, and then in 1991, when they were consolidated, they that's when they called it the Stargate Project.
Speaker 1:They started when you've been on a tinfoil hat and talked about this in a broad sense, and I remember we were just talking about 9-11. What did you find through some of your research in this realm other than what I've read in Jim Marr's work?
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know the role of the remote viewers. You know when you it's such a tempting topic to take a look at 9-11, right, and one of the things that they did was Courtney Brown who runs this group. He told his team we're never going to remote view 9-11. It's just it's too emotionally charged and too obvious. You know we're just never going to do it. And then it didn't for like 15 years, right. And then one day decided to slip it in and have his guys remote view like a couple of different aspects of 9-11. And then they filmed it, put it out.
Speaker 4:And it was wild, you know, and I and I and I like their stuff and you know, and I'm not trying to say that, like you know, I'm not trying to say it's it's all true or it's all false. I mean, I think it's, I think it's all fascinating for sure, and I don't exactly understand how they do it, but I'm interested in it. It's just, it's another data point and I want it and I want to see what's going on. And, man, there's a, there's a part in the video where Dick Algar is drawing on the whiteboard behind him the person that is running this operation in this secured bunker, and he's drawing this guy. And as he's drawing it, you can kind of see the light you could. You can almost see the light bulb above Dick Algar's head going off. He might, he should have just drawn a light bulb Because all of a sudden, like halfway through the drawing, he realizes he's drawing Donald Rumsfeld and it is obvious to anybody that is watching that he's drawing.
Speaker 4:Donald Rumsfeld so you go oh God, oh wait, wait a second. Wait a second and you can see each is was like oh, you know, he finishes the chin and the little glasses and the, and this is the guy, that's the cold psychopath who's making calculations and making and really running the show. And there's, it's a window of things, and so you watch it. You know and again I'm not saying it's all true, but it's, I mean it, it it would theoretically fit 911 from the makers of Aspartame.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean it wouldn't. It's not like Donald Rumsfeld is going to have some moral hang up about this, as he's running Rand, as he's predicting these things, as he's in with the enterprise, as he's in with Bush. You know he, you know this is the guy who would be involved in it. So so some of this stuff you know, like their, their work on 911, I thought when they remote viewed it was amazing.
Speaker 3:I just Charlie. Didn't they see who was responsible for rigging building seven with the remote? They?
Speaker 4:did. That was a team of like eight people that were moving very quickly, that knew what they were doing and had clearly worked together. That was the overall sort of me encapsulating what they what took them like 30 minutes to draw out and talk about, but it was essentially. There was a team that was wrapping flexible things around columns. You know, so you're going, I don't know, plastic explosives or I don't know. I mean, I don't not a special forces, yeah.
Speaker 2:Charlie, have you seen I'd like to pull out that thread a little bit more have you seen any other instances of that? Because a lot of the remote viewers said they're not limited by time or space, so they could go in the past, in the future, the present. So it got me thinking like why not look at who killed JFK, or what happened in Vegas, or what happened to Ed Hardy clothing? You know, like these, these are questions that you can answer.
Speaker 4:Could you imagine? This is here's the fantasy. The fantasy is you become a crypto billionaire and then, in order to entertain yourself, you hire remote viewers to go look at things that you're interested in. You're like right, I want you to cost to hire your team to remote view the Las Vegas incident $40,000 done. You know what I mean. Like you start doing things like that, like that'd be the most interesting thing to do is to is to have all these teams. I want you to say like what do you think, man, take a look at this thing.
Speaker 2:Right, and a lot of them do start businesses like that. Joe McMonigal he started an RV business focused on corporate America looking for oil wells and mineral deposits and things like that. A lot like Erie Geller did after James Randy took him down for a while and the more I thought about this I was like wait a minute. I've heard this shtick before. Isn't this what Joseph Smith did with his seer stones before he found it? He literally did that. So when they do things like that again I have a little bit of a version. Step back and like what.
Speaker 4:You definitely run the risk. You know, when you start monetizing your skills in this category, you definitely open yourself up for criticism, and that's just, that's not. And that's not any sort of indictment on them. Of course I happen to like the stuff that Dick Algire and Dazz Smith do. I think it's cool, I think it's the coolest stuff around man. I think you know again, I don't know how to assign in a percentage of how much of it is true and false, but like it's just, it looks kind of like magic and I know enough to know that I don't know it all and I have done enough psychedelics to know that there is a world beyond our current sober eyeballs and if there's some way to tap into that, then that's. Then all bets are off as to how far you can take something like that, because once you you know I mean once you've smoked DMT not to go all Joe Roganee, but like you know you, it's like the universe all everything is written in pencil.
Speaker 4:All of a sudden, all the laws of the universe are written it. You go okay, this is so, so could, could. Could the Ingo Swan really see a ring around Jupiter? I don't know, but he told them in advance that there was a ring around Jupiter and they corrected him to say, no, I think you mean Saturn. And he said, no, I know what Saturn is. It's not that it's thinner and it's Jupiter and it, and I'm telling you that's what it is. And then the, the voyagers, go out there and they see it.
Speaker 2:Well, I like to and correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember them asking him to remote view Jupiter and he he declined to do so because he said I'm not going to review something. You have no way of verifying whether or not what I remote viewed is there or not. And he said, and they said we do, we have these probes going out and that's why he agreed to it. And so that added a little bit of credibility in my mind, because he allowed himself to be black bag too for that operation.
Speaker 4:I don't know if you know the, the, the, the, the series of events that led up to him agreeing to do that. What part of it was that he agreed to surrender himself and have them put the hood on and take him someplace and down a elevator shaft and into some secret bunker and into some room where they, you know. I mean all politely and all with his consent, but there was some like you know high, you know Spycraft shit going on right, like I mean they were treating it very serious.
Speaker 4:They took him to a place that was like when you don't normally go. It didn't just interrogate him in his, in his spare bedroom or something like that. I mean they like took him, they like took him down to headquarters for real and had him remote view this stuff, and that's what he came up with. And and and I mean I don't know, man, I don't know how how much of this you can really fake. I mean that's a pretty, pretty verifiable thing, right in a very specific thing, to say that there's a ring around. I mean I don't know, maybe maybe it's known in an astrological circles before that, and it was. It was like a magic trick.
Speaker 2:But Not what I found and I also found fascinating. You've probably seen this, but he was tasked with remote viewing the moon to the dark side of the moon. Yes, can you go into that for a second for people who don't know?
Speaker 4:I don't remember exactly what he said about about that, but he but he was. He. Definitely they had him looking at the moon. The moon is a is a trip man that I Some of those guys from the Farsight Institute remote viewed like a Place that was like a rundown old resort on one of the moons of Saturn.
Speaker 3:I Think did you guys ever see that?
Speaker 4:Oh, you're calling it like an intergalactic hotel for rich and I remember watching that going. There's no way to verify this, but it is the coolest story I've ever.
Speaker 3:They have those photographs, supposedly from NASA, that in the 60s where they the things that came back to Houston or whatever were like glass structures on the far side of the moon and like Dome is and things like that. And I think I was talking with Billy Ray Valentine a couple weeks ago about that and they wrote I can't remember the gentleman there wrote the book but it was called dark mission and he actually had some of those photographs where you see like weird glass structures in the photographs and Like it looks like rundown. I thought you were gonna say rundown like nuclear power plants kind of Scenario and but you were talking about something totally different. But this photographs that are really weird, some that supposedly came from like the far side of the moon. So you never know.
Speaker 4:That seems I mean, that seems like something that would be of interest. Right to check out the moon, see what's going on there Maybe maybe it's a big nothing burger or at the very least, go remote view the supposed Apollo landing sites. Right, yes, that'd be a good place to start. You would think you'd look for evidence there, you'd look for the dune buggy, you'd look for all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Keeps, keeps going back to Burbank.
Speaker 2:What was your latitude and longitude?
Speaker 3:Why is there an NBC page, like in the background?
Speaker 1:Wow, well, you know you go back through ancient history, the story of mankind. You find the prophets, you find other mystics and I just seems to be. First of all, I mean, I would go out and say I believe this exists, I believe this is a phenomenon that's can be proven. Well, at least there's enough Substantial, circumstantial evidence. You know, you, you put out there, you know these predictions and that they, that it'd be astronomical For them to come true. Like it, like there's not, it there's in the statistically. It's just not possible to hit that many. Yes, you're gonna miss, because it's probably more of an art than a science. It's, it's, it's mystic, it's mysticism, it's. It's probably not something that you can even quantify scientifically because you're talking about Leaving the linear understanding of time and space.
Speaker 1:But if you, if you're reading anything about, like, the subconscious mind, there's a great book from the 60s called the power of your subconscious mind by Joseph Murphy, and it's that same book. You know he talks about this. You know His view was your subconscious mind is your link to God and God's gift to you, because it it manifests. You know what you, what you put into it. It manifests, kind of like you would plant seeds in a garden and it would.
Speaker 1:You know there's another argument in his book from the 60s that it there is no space between Other minds like you would be able to pick up on if, like a loved one or something around the world, like you'd be connected in real time to them through thought and thought. There's no, you know, it travels beyond you know what we would understand in physical Speed or anything like that, with the speed of light. It goes beyond that. So it's, it's all interconnected in real time. That's something that Joseph Murphy thought, and I don't think he's wrong. I mean just from a standpoint, because I'm not an atheist and I know.
Speaker 3:Tony, I actually have a person in my life for the last 25 years and she's very important to me and we share a lot of similar ideas and we're thinking about Not only each other a lot of the time Not a lot of the time but it'll be one of those things where I put a lot of stock into what you're just saying. That, with that book, is putting out there that People can be connected and be like very far away from each other, and I'm a big like believer in that and and I've seen it so many times where She'll be thinking about something and then I'll be thinking about it and then we'll touch base either later that day or like it later in the week. You know, be like, oh, isn't that so weird? And we always get it kind of a kick out of it like all you know, cuz it's like there is a weird like psychic connection in a way.
Speaker 1:So I think there's something to like what you're saying is there any commonality in the, the people that have been confirmed RV? I mean, is there is there something like you know in the missing 411? Or you know, there's always the they're mostly German background, or you know they get. My bodies of water, yeah, they're all their shoes off and they're you know they're always in the woods. Yeah, they're always found in the spot that was already searched. You know all that kind of stuff I do. You recall what I don't think?
Speaker 4:so because, I mean, I think it depends on, maybe, who you're talking about. Obviously, one of the common threads is, if you're working at SRI, you're connected to the CIA. That's not the best common thread to have, but that's that's one that a lot of these guys shared. So there's that but there, but there's like this. There's also, like the newer current batch of people that are doing remote viewing, that are of the opinion that this is a learned Skill, that you don't necessarily have to be predisposed to it or psychic or anything like that, but it doesn't really work that way. It's something that you can do with enough practice over a long enough time horizon.
Speaker 2:Wasn't there an institute, Charlie, where they suggested that you could actually induce this using sounds of certain frequencies to kind of lower your mind? Have you seen anything like that?
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, I mean I remember coming across a long time ago, but I was hoping.
Speaker 1:I knew somebody who went to one of these institutes and went through the training and this is a guy I met when I ran for Congress back in North Texas. He was an interesting guy. He was in his fifties at the time but he told me a lot of stories about going. He was pretty intense training and I want to say that it was connected to Ingo Swann, but I can't confirm this was the something.
Speaker 1:I trust the guy, I know the guy, I've been going a long time but he was telling me about it and he would say that when you get really deep into it and this is kind of like me and Charlie, you mentioned DMT and some of the other these are very similar experiences, I guess when people, if they can tap into that brainwave activity, whatever that is that you get into this, able to project or see outside of yourself. He said that these little gargoyles would show up in kind of like the clockwork elves that people see when they use DMT like shared experience. So there's something weird with that, like he would say, and I think the instruction that he got was when these little gargoyles come out, or whatever they are, the little clock, we just pat them on the head and they go away. That's what he said, is this?
Speaker 3:the Farsight Institute. It could be.
Speaker 1:We've talked about this kind of stuff and I've just for the episode. I was just going back through my memory banks, like if I ever talk and I go, yes, I talked to somebody and it was pretty detailed, I mean he wasn't making it up. But he said that's what happened when you get in these states and he goes. I keep seeing these little creatures and I'm guessing kind of like a clockwork elf or something. And he said the instructor said just pat him on the head telling you're good, he doesn't like that he's biting, he's biting.
Speaker 1:I'm sure Metaphysically it's my fingertip.
Speaker 3:Now you just created an alternate reality, another Mandela effect. Thanks, tony Well right there is.
Speaker 1:I think there is so much backing this up and it's a strange phenomenon. It's like Charlie was saying it's fascinating. It covers so much of what we like to talk about. I mean, it covers conspiracy, right. It covers the unknown, the unexplained. There's so many things that fit inside this box that when you're talking about remote viewing because I mean throw out what you your preconceived notions of linear time, of who can actually see you it's like you're in your mind, like I can see me and God can see me. Well, maybe Steve from the Learning Institute channeling in.
Speaker 3:I always thought that remote viewing would be a great tool for the evil doers or the powers that be, Like, let's say, the Kennedy assassination. Right, If you wanted to make sure you found you were able to know exactly every witness that had to be taken out later on as the cleanup operation and you weren't videotaping it from every angle, somehow you could go back and use the remote viewing for nefarious purposes, like a cleanup crew at a false flag like event. You could see exactly who saw what and who needs to be taken out and why, and all that type of thing. And I always thought that if the CIA or some kind of group like that they needed to do kind of a cleanup job, they would probably do some kind of remote viewing thing if they weren't already videotaping the event itself just to make sure all tracks are covered, you know.
Speaker 1:I wonder if George HW Bush could have gotten some remote viewers to figure out where he was on November 22nd 1963, because even he didn't know where he was.
Speaker 3:He didn't know. Yeah, or 9-11, when he's with Ben. Hunt's brother.
Speaker 1:You know, charlie, I want to throw it back to you. Do you find any other connections with remote viewing and what we're seeing now, with what you would refer to as UAPs or UFOs, in your study and some of this with and I know some? I've heard some of the stories, but I'd like to hear them from you as far as some of these remote viewers running into an ET or what's inside of a craft or what a craft is?
Speaker 4:You would hear these stories where they were remote viewing what could probably be described as an alien base and that while they were remote viewing the alien base and the aliens that were in there, the aliens noticed that they were being remote viewed by them and that that would always freak them out because they weren't used to anybody sort of seeing them, but that they would tell the stories if there were certain times where the aliens would be like somebody's watching us and they'd have to pull out or whatever, abort the mission.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wasn't that Ingo Swan had a story like that right, charlie?
Speaker 4:I think it might have been Ingo Swan.
Speaker 2:And he said they're not nice and don't interact with them.
Speaker 1:I believe that seems to be the general consensus, but what?
Speaker 2:was also interesting too. Just to add on to that is one of those individuals that I mentioned earlier, joe McMonigle. He said it was very easy to remote view things that had nuclear energy associated with it, and he explained it because of the excess entropy or energy there, and that made me think I was like, okay, let's say that's true. Well, we saw like just this huge explosion of UFOs or UAPs and things like this after our atomic tests at Trinity. So if they were psychic, like Ingo Swan suggested that they were from his experiences, they would be drawn to that too. You said. I'm saying yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and.
Speaker 4:I've even heard For some reasons why it was easier for him to be around that sort of energy. Yeah, that would be the same. That would be like a beacon Right To the universe, like, hey, check us out.
Speaker 1:There's like an unusual pulse of energy over here and if you're not limited by time and space, you could make that move theoretically instantaneously, right, right, I've even heard some of the remote viewers and the names escape me, but I've heard some of these stories and interviews about, when they're remote viewing a UFO, that they actually can hit the hull, whereas if they were remote viewing like an aircraft or something that we would think of here, they would pass right through it, Like it's something that was man-made. They could pass through anything. But in the realm where they're remote viewing extraterrestrials or UFO, whatever they are that they would exist in that place. So that may be what you're referring to. They were seen by the entities or something about, because maybe their thought or the projection from their mind or their subconscious whatever that is is actually manifesting there, like because that exists in a different plane.
Speaker 3:Maybe that's what caused the Roswell crash to begin with. Was a remote viewer trying to go back and look at what happened to Roswell and actually caused it to happen? In general, Remote viewed it. Yeah, remote viewed it and like a hole through the thing or whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, that would be. You know, as far as time travel like, if you could disrupt, that would be the only way to disrupt it you would be existing in that plane. That's interesting, yeah.
Speaker 4:Did you see the MH370 stuff recently, chris? What was it? The MH370 stuff that's been going around and kind of Tony Merkel, my partner on macroaggressions, had the guy on kind of really kickstarted a lot of this and then he started making the rounds and they wound up on doing a bunch of shows talking about that with the three rotating orbs around it, have you? You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:I've come across that before and the idea that it's kind of like a updated version of the Bermuda Triangle thing during like World War II, with all the fighter jets disappearing through like war chequeses or war disease, whatever, just disappearing. Some people saying that possibly they even ended up going into the future somehow and not able to come back. Like I've heard that too. I'm Courtney Love, charlie. Courtney Love says she knew where that plane went. Like that was in the news around the time. Yeah, and you know what, at the time I'm like, oh, this is just Courtney doing her cycle babble and stuff. Then you find out that her and her father actually did have military intelligence connections. Later on that got declassified. So then I'm like you know, maybe she wasn't making it up, maybe she wasn't just trying to get some publicity, maybe she does know. You know what I mean. But yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, before, that sounds a lot like the Philadelphia experiment with the USS.
Speaker 4:L Totally yeah.
Speaker 3:Super strange with Montauk Island. They said that supposedly it ended up going to Montauk Island in 1984 and that everyone on board was horribly and painfully like killed because of it.
Speaker 1:But that's a whole other discussion Anyway what do we know about what's going on in this realm now, because history doesn't stop with what we're talking about. I mean, is there any evidence to show that we're looking at another top secret type program, that other nations doing this? I mean, the Soviet Union collapsed into 16 pieces when I was 10 years old, but you know, mother Russia is still there, all that hardware and all the arsenal that they built up. They still work on these type of things, the Chinese for sure.
Speaker 1:I mean you guys come across anything that's recently updated, because it seems that the timeline kind of I don't know if it was a way to kill it off, or you know, and then you throw out movies. Like, if you watch the movie the Minister at Goats, it's nonsense. I mean, it's like what do you even? I mean I know they were trying to get at a point that really making this a satire of some kind, you know, and then fusing in the Iraq war. But it was an interesting movie, but it was. I thought they dumbed it down because, there's said, most of this stuff is actually really truly fascinating.
Speaker 3:It's not just that's usually what they would do in the past, like with the MK Ultra things. They would put it out through entertainment, I mean with the CIA having a liaison to Hollywood and everything they put. They give like studios and writers. They give them like plot points, especially the X-Files. Chris Carter, the creator there, was talking about how they'd have a CIA guy like in the writer's room, like like weekly, giving them talking points Usually it was Bill Cooper talking points or whatever.
Speaker 3:But yeah, like they want to dress these things up that there's actual evidence for they want to dress it up and be oh, because then when people they read about it later on, oh, this is science fiction, because they put it out through science fiction and it's not. It's not so much fiction as they want you to go. Oh yeah, weather weapons and MK Ultra, remote viewing men, men, steric goats, the idea of time travel it's garbage, it's science fiction. They want you to not even think about it afterwards. Oh, it's just entertainment, oh, that's just that's. You know, they do that on purpose, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Chris, to your point. Joe McMonigal co-wrote an episode of the science fiction show the Dead Zone and it was concerned with finding out where someone been. Some of them, latin, was.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they postponed it for a while yeah.
Speaker 3:And meanwhile Ben Laden was probably in on the writer's room too, because they knew where he was the whole time. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:CNN found him?
Speaker 3:They didn't have a hard time they found him, yeah.
Speaker 4:They should. They just showed right up at his cocktail party. I didn't know.
Speaker 3:Bill Cooper was pissed about that too in the summer of 2001. He's like how the you know you well. You can't find that interview anymore either. I think I found it for Tony and Billy, like a couple of years ago, but it was in print or whatever, and but they buried that, they buried, they buried that one.
Speaker 1:That was, that was the lead, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but, tony, I didn't see anything really past what I remember as Project 8200, which was a follow-up on remote viewing. That was the next generation of Stargate, and it only lasted a couple of years and was supposed to verify things. Pat Price saw who worked on the program and what he was concentrating on were these underground alien UFO bases around these energy centers and mountain ranges in the world, and one was around Mount Hayes in Alaska. But it only lasted a couple of years and then it seems like attention focused I mean, we spoke a couple of episodes about, you know, the advanced aerospace threat identification program and stuff like that Right, so I haven't seen anything recently about RV, at least the government being interested in it. But you know, phil.
Speaker 3:Schneider, phil Schneider, the late Phil Schneider. He was talking about those underground alien base wars in like Mexico and things like that, and then some people think he was killed for talking about it. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a whole other subject. We might have to do an underground, a DUMMS episode sometime.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll show you up for a DUMMS episode Sure.
Speaker 3:DUMMS, dumms.
Speaker 1:Deep underground military bases and Phil Schneider. That's an interesting little cul-de-sac in conspiracy, yeah.
Speaker 3:And there's some that were underneath. You know amusement parks in the Midwest that I came across, like in the late 90s, like I have all those articles. Yeah, that's a whole other thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, mr Anderson, you mentioned some of the commercial use. That's good, you know they're, and I even mentioned this in the terror conspiracy. As a matter of fact, we pull this up and this was written back in. I think Jim Mars got it out in 2003, but they wouldn't publish most. I mean he couldn't pick up any significant. I don't think it was released until 2007. So it was written a little bit earlier. So this is, you know, pretty fresh after 9-11. But he mentions and this is his study that he commissioned 11 remote viewers with extensive track records took a psychic look at the events of September 11th 2001.
Speaker 1:Several of the viewers involved asked not to be identified. Among those who agreed to be identified were Lynn Buchanan. I know that you guys heard that name. He was featured in Men who Stare at Goats, his character, or something that the character was based on. Him, formerly the trainer of the US Army's then top secret grill, flame and Stargate remote viewing programs, who now heads up problems solutions, innovations of Alamogordo, new Mexico. So that's private industry, right? Are we still seeing private industry with RV?
Speaker 2:So a little bit I think I mentioned it though the remote viewing to try to find, you know, different sorts of minds and things like that. The thing that I always come back to too is I try to be fair, and there's a really good documentary that taps into a part of this, called an honest liar. I don't know if any of you have ever seen it. It's this magician called the Amazing Randy, james Randy. So if you've ever seen South Park, stan Stad, randy's Amazing Randy, it's the Cock Magic episode.
Speaker 2:I won't get into that aspect, but what James Randy did was he was an escape artist and he heard himself and he learned at a very early age you could really trick people, and so he was really flustered by the fact that SRI confirmed or said that they thought Uri Geller had psychic abilities.
Speaker 2:So there was a huge interest in the Bending Spoons by this guy named James McDonnell. So think of McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Corporation. Right, he was interested in bending spoons or bending materials, so he funded a PSI Research Institute in Washington University in St Louis based on this, and so James Randy at the time was used as a consultant on many of these experiments, to institute controls and things like that, because there's always the question of the scientific rigor that goes in authenticating whether or not somebody can do this stuff. So he got two kids who were in high school at the time and showed them all these magic tricks and I always say tricks, I should say illusions, because tricks are something whores do for money but he showed them how to, how to bend spoons and do all of these things and at the end of this two-year study called Project Alpha, they fooled all the scientists into thinking that they had these abilities.
Speaker 3:So I'm always I want to bring that out, just just to keep you know wasn't James Randy, a big, a big skeptic, that actually put up a whole like thousands of dollars to prove that this stuff was real at one point?
Speaker 2:But he didn't like Erie Geller because he thought a lot of these people whether it be Faith Hiller, healers or people like Erie Geller were taking advantage of people who really tended to believe these things. And he said I'm not saying it's not true, but if it is true there has to be controls put in place during this experiment so they can't cheat. And so one of the times he was used as a consultant, when Erie Geller went on the Johnny Carson show and he told him what to do and Erie Geller like fell on his face flat that evening. He couldn't do any of this. You know, pick which thing has the ball bearing in it, or anything like that, because he couldn't move and see how the different things containing the ball bearing were shifting differently. So I don't know that. There's a lot of really good examples of this being authentic. So I think there's something there, but there's a lot of other stuff, these hokey things like you're talking about, all these RV corporations and private industry. It's like what is that about?
Speaker 3:Little side note the amazing Randy. Now that you bring him up, you know who his assistant was at one point back in the 80s. I believe was William Rodriguez right, the janitor on 9 11 that talked about the bombs in the basement. That's how he got his start. He was working at the World Trade Center as a janitor, but he was also when he first arrived in New York. I believe he was the amazing Randy's assistant, so that that kind of came back to bite him later on with the 9 11. True thing, because people all of a sudden started turning on William Rodriguez at a certain point in the mid 2000s.
Speaker 2:But weird Is that the one who's his partner Is that the no, that was his assistant.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, William Rodriguez was the amazing Randy's assistant in like the late 1980s, right when William Rodriguez first got his job as janitor for Mayor Koch, I think actually around that time in the 80s. But but I actually had a question for you guys. So have you guys kind of like remote viewing in a way? Have you heard of a project Pegasus where there's a gentleman named Andrew Bassaggio, I believe, who made the claims that Donald Roosevelt was able to actually see images of 9 11 happening in 1971?
Speaker 1:I'm not aware of this.
Speaker 4:I I.
Speaker 3:I heard a little bit about project Pegasus but, I don't know a ton yeah supposedly the idea is actually for anyone out there that wants to check it out, because fear is he theory, would Jesse Ventura the season three when he started to really go into weirder subjects other than 9, 11 and JFK and things. I think the premier episode of season three he goes into the project Pegasus thing with the idea that somehow Donald Rumsfeld in the early 70s was privy to that, some kind of technology where you could actually see events in the future. So not exactly remote viewing, but I mean like dirty glass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like the project looking glass. I wasn't aware of the Donald Rumsfeld story but I've heard. You know this is against kind of like project Bluebeam and some of these other ethereal conspiracy theories. That, yeah, is there any evidence that kind of like the majestic 12 or the documentation or whatever?
Speaker 3:he's never, there's no real linkage, but it sounds cool you know, the idea that Donald Rumsfeld could actually see images of the World Trade Center burning back in 1971.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds like the Corona visor or whatever. That the Vatican. Oh yeah, well, the Vatican, that's another one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, where they supposedly can see any event in history like the Corona visor. Yeah, yeah, strange, that's what it reminded me of, but it was some.
Speaker 4:Rumsfeld did work for Rand and. Rand is kind of like seeing into the future.
Speaker 3:Yes, and they had the fingerprints all over.
Speaker 4:With Frank Carlucci, his roommate from Princeton. They went into Rand together and then they went into Lacerkell together and then they went into taking down the Trade Center together.
Speaker 3:Rand has their fingerprints all over 9-11, as does the other Raytheon too, which Raytheon for a lot of people out there. I think I sent this to you, charlie, and one of those many thousands of links that I would send everyone ad nauseam. I apologize. One of the articles had to do with the fact that Raytheon was giving all the passengers, their employees, that died on all four, any of their employees that died on any of the four flights on 9-11, they were giving them like hero awards, post-tribusly or whatever. And it was the oddest thing. It's like what about all the other passengers? Like that didn't work for you, like you're giving, why were they? I mean not to say that they were bad people, but like why are they heroes? Because they died on the 9-11 jets? Like I never understood that.
Speaker 4:Because they sacrificed themselves so that Raytheon could make an extra couple billion dollars.
Speaker 3:Oh, there you go. Yeah, this sounded very, very cold.
Speaker 1:I know about Edgar Casey.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Early 20th Century Healer. Was he out of Florida? What was he out of? I want to say he was out of Tampa. Florida. I remember watching documentaries on him when I was a kid and this guy, he supposedly could fall into a bit of a slumber, like he'd go to sleep, and then he'd have some sort of consciousness still rolling and then he would just project and this was. It sounded eerily like what you would consider remote viewing and he had so many Like he had, the Atlantis prophecies it would find.
Speaker 4:A lot of.
Speaker 1:Atlantis work, a lot of Atlantis stuff and Egypt Egypt.
Speaker 3:What was?
Speaker 1:underneath the sphinx, you know there was Under the right paw of the sphinx, there's all sorts that they would find scrolls there, lay lines, right Lay lines and the Bimini Road. You know they found the Benches down there.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and the Caribbean right.
Speaker 4:The hot zone there off of Cuba, bimini and Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, real detailed work, yeah.
Speaker 3:Was he around for the guide stones. So the guide stones was 1979. I think Edgar Casey was probably already deceased.
Speaker 1:I think he passed on by. Then we could look it up, but I don't look it up. Chris see, when he died, but he was a real interesting figure. This again, you go back through history and you find these type of figures and there may not be a lot of them and maybe, and of course, on the other end of the spectrum, if one person can do it, does that mean everybody can? I mean, is that true? Do we all have that ability? I think we all have, because we're made of that spark that you know if you believe in God. I'm not an atheist because it's ridiculous. I mean I'm a thinker and you can think your way out of atheism pretty quick.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's just I was thinking of someone different here. Apparently, Edgar Casey died in 1945. I thought he lived all the way up until the late 70s.
Speaker 1:I didn't think it was. I just knew it was like early 20th century.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he was born in the 1800s. I thought Edgar Casey was the clairvoyant and I think he is. But I think there's another guy, an individual too, that was famous in the 70s for the same exact thing, and his name escapes me right now. But yeah, in 1945, he passed away so way before the guide stones. But I wonder if anyone remote viewed it's just in time to invade David Wilcock Right.
Speaker 4:It's not for going on bad.
Speaker 3:I wonder if anyone remote viewed who blew up the guide stones. Yet I know they have it on tape, but I mean the tape is gone, so it might as well remote view that I'm going to stab you some remote viewing.
Speaker 4:You know what I?
Speaker 1:want.
Speaker 4:You know what I want remote viewed. If we're taking, if we're placing orders here, I want to know what was on the in those envelopes that were handed out at HW Bush's funeral.
Speaker 1:Yeah 10% off Adrenochrome.
Speaker 4:Yes, jeb looked like he saw yourself.
Speaker 3:Alibi's for November 22nd 1963. For anyone who's still like, like anyone who is that life extension technology, that what's his face that just died recently. He was supposedly had Kissinger.
Speaker 1:The oldest fat man in the yeah.
Speaker 3:McDonald's all the time, but he lives to a hundred. And yeah, yeah, charlie, I'm interested in that too.
Speaker 2:Anybody have information or theories on?
Speaker 4:that I've never heard of anything.
Speaker 2:Weird looking at their faces Like, oh my God, I know what does it take to spook these people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don Jeffries, and I talk about that all the time.
Speaker 1:Like the different technology that supposedly got buried, that Could be just a picture of a crucifix, and that's just the way they A Bible verse, or I'm supposed to hand me that stuff.
Speaker 2:An envelope of garlic, oh man.
Speaker 1:Now that's a really interesting point, charlie. You know there used to be Gosh. You know you mourn for the days of these guys like Jim Mars, yeah, like a journalist Kind of like. You know. I was talking to Mr Anderson last night, charlie, about you and about your book, the Occupus of Global Control, and I said you got to read it because Charlie goes over the Boston bombing. And once you read that, you read Charlie's chapter on the Boston bombing. Like we got to do a show on that too, guys.
Speaker 3:But oh yeah, and I get a lot of Dave McGowan stuff. He goes he deconstructs Boston with all the photographic evidence and everything. We have to do that.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean it's just like I mean they're phoning it in.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 1:So it's, so, it's so lazy, but I, you know, I think about. So Charlie's one of the guys that we have around. Thank God we just got responsible thinkers, you know, because so much of what we talk about in this realm of alternative media. Now you got David Eich coming out saying it's mainstream alternative media calls it ma'am. So now, yeah, we have a mainstream alternative media that, like, takes the narrative and gets all the views and then so again, you know, I'm not form your own opinions of those guys. I don't need. I don't need to talk about any of those, but form your own opinions about who David Eich says ma'am is and do your own thinking. But there's, there's. I miss these guys. I miss the, the responsible deep dives, the, the the Like Jim, Keith, like Jim.
Speaker 3:Keith. Yeah, like Jim Keith, like we did the the black helicopter episode, one of the first paratroopers, jim Keith had the book about black helicopters over America and Oklahoma city and then I'm fairly certain that they they took his ass out too. I mean with he fell off the stage at Big Bear and hurt his knee. He ended up having to go to the hospital and he goes I don't think I'm getting out of here and, lo and behold, he had a blood clot like less than like 24 hours later.
Speaker 1:It sounds a lot like Joe McCarthy checking into Bethesda maybe hospital or.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, and the Don Don brings that up too. You know checking in.
Speaker 1:Bethesda Naval Hospital. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's. There's some things you don't want to check into. That's probably, if you're, if you have a, if you have a soul, that's probably a good place to stay out of.
Speaker 3:But Charlie's one of the best. Like you said, he's one of the best, and same with Don. You know, we don't have too many, too many of those kind of guys anymore, you know well.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to do what I had. I was thought of it and I wanted to. I'm comparing you to Jim Mars Charlie.
Speaker 4:I appreciate that Jim Mars passed away right before the octopus came out and I remember thinking to myself damn, that's a guy I definitely wanted to talk to and he's gone now.
Speaker 1:Well, it's, it's and we have to. These are resources and that's why I want to do these kinds of shows, cause this is forever, and go back in reference of this conversation that we're having. Yeah, and you know we got. We do have people like Charlie. We have people like Don Jeffries, thank God, you know we got people like James Perloff, david Knight.
Speaker 3:But people. But people like Jim Keith and Dave McGowan. A lot of their stuff is going away, like with the internet, you know, and people aren't preserving it, like I preserved as much as I could. But Jim Keith used to write for a website called Nitro News Once. Well, once he died, like within a couple of months, did we go back in the wayback machine, nitro News and his articles, like they were already cancelling all of his stuff, like online in the late nineties, you know, right, right after he died. So I liked the idea of what you're saying, like we got to preserve as much as we can, you know, cause that's why I have this channel.
Speaker 1:That's why it was what paratroops was for these kinds of talks. Do you guys want to hear the results from the 2003 remote viewing on 9-11 that Jim Mars had done from the?
Speaker 2:show yes, please.
Speaker 1:We're going to close with this. By the way, it's Sunday why we're recording this one. Get Charlie back to his family and everybody else back to their families. So these 11 viewers gave yes or no answers to the questions. The answers below reflect the majority of the viewer's responses, so it's based off the majority of the votes. Did President George Bush have foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks? No. Did George Bush senior have foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks? Yes. Did Dick Cheney have foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks? Yes. Did the Israeli Mossad have foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks? And it's neutral. It's. Possibly they were too busy dancing Number five. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 3:Dancing and taking pictures, just having a good time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but my ears up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm picture taking.
Speaker 1:It's just a celebratory time. Did Osama bin Laden have foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks? Yes, so Tim knew. Number six Were the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center controlled from the planes Cockpits? So, were the planes controlled from the planes' cockpits? No, remotely, right, it's asking you where they controlled inside the cockpit? No, I was just thinking, jim. Number seven Was the collapse of the World Trade Center towers caused only by planes striking the buildings, and it was equally divided. Number eight Was any US intelligence agency involved in the 9-11 attacks? Yes. Nine Were any members of the Trilateral Commission Council on Foreign Relations or the Bilderberg Group responsible for the 9-11 attacks? Yes, and last, was United Airlines Flight 93 shot down? Yes, so that's the commission results from what Jim Mars had done in 2003.
Speaker 4:Lines up pretty much with reality.
Speaker 3:I wonder what Jim Mars would have thought of the whole COVID in January 6 to Backels. I can only imagine.
Speaker 1:We're just missing, so many voices I mean this insanity. So it's good sometimes to go off into the realms of remote viewing, but I think it's the time we're in this weird time where let's look into remote viewing. Everything's on the table, everything's on that. I'm with you on that, and I think even Jim Mars said your mind works best like a parachute when it's open. And my mind's open. I'm looking at things. If you haven't been, if your paradigm hasn't been shaken and questioned, even as a conspiracy analyst, like we all here are on the panel in the last four or five years, you're not paying attention. My paradigms get shifted daily. I have to really question. So these are the kind of things that these we're not. I don't know that I'm not an advocate in saying we've got to remote view everything or it's an exact science, but it is something that I think exists and it's something that I think deserves a look. But, charlie Robinson, thank you so much for being here. Tell people where they can find you and they can support your show.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, interestingly enough, I will be introducing David Ike virtually to the stage on Anarcapulco a week from tomorrow. It should be fun, tony, you'll be there, I will be. People that want to go? Check out my new website. Macroaggressionsio is the place to go. You can find information about the podcast and the books and the well, that good stuff, and I appreciate you. Thank you for having me on. I'll see you in Mexico.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Will. Are you going to be introducing me and for the Anarcapulco, I mean, you're going to be on crypto.
Speaker 4:You're going to be crypto day and I know that on crypto day, danny Sassam from the crypto show will be introducing you. He's a good dude. He's been very helpful in the recovery efforts in Acapulco after the hurricane. He's been leading that, as he often does. He's a pretty charitable guy. You'll get along with him really well and he'll be introducing you. He's got the floor on crypto day.
Speaker 1:I've been working on an outline for my talk and I'm going to give a talk I haven't given before, so I'm looking forward to Cool. I'm looking forward to it Just being around, that energy, all the crypto sphere and the libertarian sphere, the people that love liberty, the anarchists, and then you get people like David Ike, jeff Burwick and you. It's going to be great. I'm really, really looking forward to it. Chris Graves, tell people whether they can find all your 300 podcaster.
Speaker 3:Not so much anymore, but that's not a bad thing. But yeah, I'm on freeworldfm trying to get better at the engineering of the technical stuff, so I got whatever episodes that didn't get erased of my Get Mad show that I used to do. Those are on Monday nights on freeworldfm. I have Crani and Blender, which is my MTV pop culture music video show. That's on Wednesdays. I had the great Melissa Arteburn co-hosting with me. That was fun and I have Digging Chris Graves on Fridays on freeworldfm and I'm hoping to have some people that were involved with the JAWS movies on an upcoming Gagging. Look out for that coming up.
Speaker 1:And Mr Anderson. I know that you only want to be contacted through remote viewing at this point, so I will. If you need to reach Mr Anderson, you can go through our website. You can find us at paratruthercom. As a matter of fact, you can leave us a voicemail, so go to paratruthercom.
Speaker 2:And thank you, charlie, it was a pleasure having you on oh, thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it oh it's good to see you. Yeah, absolutely fun show and folks give us a review on. If you find Paratruther on Apple Podcasts, give us a review. I finally. It took me like a year and a half I finally got it on Apple. It took forever. So anywhere a podcast are found, arteburn radio transmission same thing. You'll find Paratruther up there on the America Unplugged Channel over on Rockfin. So look forward to another episode very soon. The guys will get together and we'll come up with some more interesting topics to go over here Bruster, bombing in the moon We've got so many to cover. There's no shortage of conspiracies, folks. There's no shortage of weird things in this existence. So we'll be back with an all new episode here the next week or two. So stay tuned and remember, in the information war, be a paratruther. See you next time.