Discover the elusive truth behind UFO phenomena as I, Billy Ray Valentine, bring together a panel of experts including Mr. Anderson, Tony Arterburn, and Chris Graves for a compelling roundtable discussion. From historical encounters to the enigma of alien implants, we dissect the possibility of extraterrestrial presences, share our evolving beliefs, and recount how UFO lore intertwines with famous figures and places. Peer into the unknown with us and consider the implications of finding just one inexplicable object within the human body. Our collective insights promise to illuminate the shadowy corners of this cosmic puzzle.
Venture further into the mysterious as we pivot to the topic of life after death, a path taken by the likes of Robert Bigelow and other industry leaders. This segment delves into the skepticism surrounding the commercialization of ufology and the integrity of research, as our guests share personal experiences of outreach in the field. Dr. Roger Leir's alien implant research gives us pause to ponder the profound implications of his findings. We navigate the fine line between genuine curiosity and profit-driven endeavors, stirring a rich conversation on the interconnectedness of UFOs, metaphysics, and consciousness.
Discover the elusive truth behind UFO phenomena as I, Billy Ray Valentine, bring together a panel of experts including Mr. Anderson, Tony Arterburn, and Chris Graves for a compelling roundtable discussion. From historical encounters to the enigma of alien implants, we dissect the possibility of extraterrestrial presences, share our evolving beliefs, and recount how UFO lore intertwines with famous figures and places. Peer into the unknown with us and consider the implications of finding just one inexplicable object within the human body. Our collective insights promise to illuminate the shadowy corners of this cosmic puzzle.
Venture further into the mysterious as we pivot to the topic of life after death, a path taken by the likes of Robert Bigelow and other industry leaders. This segment delves into the skepticism surrounding the commercialization of ufology and the integrity of research, as our guests share personal experiences of outreach in the field. Dr. Roger Leir's alien implant research gives us pause to ponder the profound implications of his findings. We navigate the fine line between genuine curiosity and profit-driven endeavors, stirring a rich conversation on the interconnectedness of UFOs, metaphysics, and consciousness.
All right, what's going on? How's everybody doing? It's the Infinite Frame prime time with Billy Ray Valentine, right? That's what we're doing here on freeworldfm. This would be my normal time slot while I'm going to be coming on live here doing things moving forward, lord willing. But we figured we'd record our round table UFO round table here live and share it with all of you, since we didn't get to do it. New years, you know, in 2023, I should say it is 2024. My name is Billy Ray Valentine. Greetings and blessings to all of you, and I have some of my favorite people here today Mr Anderson, whom I've never met before and I'm sure he'd be one of my favorite. Well, I met you once actually brief you already forgot.
Speaker 4:I'm sure you know I forget a lot of things, bro. Okay so, but but I'm sure he'd be one of my favorite people If I got to know him just a little bit more, and I'm sure I'll get that opportunity. We're going to Tony Ardorber, the wisest of all the wolves. What's going on, sir? How you doing?
Speaker 5:I'm doing great Well. First of all, thanks for doing the swap cast and taking prime time with Billy Ray Valentine and converting into this weird hybrid. We're going to talk about UFOs. Roundtable discussion best history, best evidence what are they? I just appreciated it, my friend. Thank you.
Speaker 4:There's something playing in the background, yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, I just ended it. I think, yeah, I don't know what, mr Anderson couldn't hear the music. Maybe he heard the last little bit of the commercial on there. I don't know, I did.
Speaker 4:Mr Chris Graves is here. Look at him. Look at him. We haven't even gotten to talk to him at the pre-show, but he's here. What a surprise to all of us. How you doing buddy. What's going on?
Speaker 6:Happy 2024.
Speaker 4:What's up, sir?
Speaker 6:Yeah, happy new year guys.
Speaker 4:Happy new year to you, bro. How you feeling I'm?
Speaker 6:overwhelmed. Right now I'm just doing deliveries, so I'm glad I made it in just in time.
Speaker 4:So glad to be here. Well, thank you for taking the time, brother. Thank you, and I hope you did a lot of deliveries, man. I'm sure one day you're going to be oh my God, that's Chris Graves dropping off my stuff. How you doing yeah.
Speaker 6:And a blizzard too. It's pretty dangerous today.
Speaker 4:How bad is it over there by you.
Speaker 6:Oh, it's been going since last night in Massachusetts. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4:Over here we got next to nothing. Yeah, a little bit of ice water, and people got scared, you know. But I was waiting for the snow. I wanted it to come. You know, I'm dreaming of a white new year. All right, mr Anderson, how are you? Judging by your picture, you're not going to be able to talk to me, but let's hope you can. What's up, buddy?
Speaker 2:I'm doing great.
Speaker 4:How are you, billy? I didn't know, chellin, what's going on with you.
Speaker 2:Not too much. I'm just hoping I can make an impression on you so you remember me now.
Speaker 4:Man, I'm sure. I'm sure that'll happen. Then again, you know it has nothing to do with you and everything to do with this thing up here. All right, so we're going to do our UFO roundtable. Man, and I love talking about UFOs, sometimes through what I've come across doing a friend, sometimes I come across people that I'm like, could this be real? But there were some people that I really wanted to talk to, that I'd never got a chance to, especially a station out of here, out of New York, that have passed away. We'll get into that throughout the course of the hour.
Speaker 4:But alien implants were always fascinating to me, right, because there's some. According to some, there's some evidence that that's true and that's real, right, and there's objects inserted in people's bodies that can't be explained, right, and that if we find one of those, that's enough. Right, just one In the entire world, that's enough. That's all the evidence we need and, of course, I want to believe, right? I'm a fan of the X-Files. I'm probably going to go watch when I get off the air and at night I watch the X-Files all the time. They play it on Comet here it's a station on Sling TV and I just let it play, and so I'm probably going to go watch that and I remember as a kid just being fascinated with the possibility of alien life and I still believe in it, even though I don't know what it is, and maybe the way I believed in it before, I don't quite believe in it now. Anyway, let's talk about it. Let's talk about what it is, what we think it is, theories for the future. Tony Arterburn, what's up?
Speaker 5:Well, I'll start the conversation off by saying that I'm recording here from Denison, texas, which is the home of the term flying saucer. It actually comes from the late 1870s. I pulled up the story. You can go on pretty much any search engine and find it. Let me see if I can pull it up here. Right, it's a history that's here in Texas and it's also the home of Dwight Eisenhower, who also has an UFO lore has a role in 1954, supposedly again, supposedly. This is part of UFO lore, kind of like Majestic 12 or the Mythos of Hanger 18 or any of those other things that Dwight Eisenhower and, by the way, dawn has had Eisenhower's granddaughter on his show. I protest. She also believes that he met with the Nordic extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force Base, I believe in 1954. It's a weird. The press actually reported that he had died of a heart attack and then retracted that day, supposedly. I've been looking it up this last week or so and I'm sure Chris and Mr Anderson will have some stuff to say on this as well.
Speaker 5:But yeah, we live in an era now where we've kind of transitioned from the Roswell crash of 1947, the National Security State Memorandum 1947 in SC-68. The Cold War Mythos of UFOs has transitioned into something else because the Cold War Mythos and everything that came out of the National Security State post-1947, it was about suppressing information and now it's about molding a new narrative using the backdrop of their reel. Because for decade upon decade you were just a crank and you weren't mentally sound and you were going to have your career ruined and everything else. But now you have major commentators, people like Tucker Carlson, coming out and talking about, I mean, not just craft but recovered bodies and technology, and like it's cool, like that was just something that is normal, and I think, with Lou Elizondo and all the other periphery spokespeople for intelligence agencies, whatever their background are, we're getting a new narrative. So I kind of wanted to start, at least for Paratruth or, if you want to, with the Infinite Fringe and some of the other podcasts that we do. I really want to start unpacking all of this because I think it's a big part of our future to understand the past, how we got here, whether you're talking about the early developmental research like Project Blue Book or Project Sign or Project Grudge.
Speaker 5:These all came out of the post Roswell era and were meant to again shape narrative, but they don't have that we live in an open Project Blue Book now, where they're shaping narrative in real time, using media sources and saying, no, no, they're real, or at least real adjacent, and then putting out people that are giving you half truths or maybe none at all, but it's sensational and they don't deny it. I find it funny. People like Chuck Schumer are out front for the truth. Well, that's your first red flag. When you got somebody who's? I remember his statement on President Trump, on Donald Trump, when he said, well, hey, the intelligence community has six ways, from Sunday, to get you, even if you're president, and I thought, okay, well, this guy's in the bag for intelligence. Well, now he's pushing disclosure, okay, so this is why it's important to have these conversations, and so I thought, even in a span of an hour at least we can start it.
Speaker 5:Start episode one best history, best evidence. What are they? What are we looking at? Predictions, and that's the way I wanted to start off the show. So thanks for throwing it to me first. You're muted, I believe, brother.
Speaker 4:I'm just working apparently. Well, that's good. You know what's disclosure, right? Like I mean, everybody talks about disclosure and they're like well, we've already had disclosure I don't believe we have. Just because the government stands there and says that it's real, that doesn't mean that it is. I want to see an alien land on the White House lawn, preferably if Trump is president. I'd love to see that happen.
Speaker 5:And I still may not believe it Because of an abduction.
Speaker 1:Is that?
Speaker 4:Hey, you know, I mean if they can abduct him and do experiments on him, probing him, implants, all that but Hopkins was the guy here in New York man that I really wanted to talk to and he passed away in like I think it was 2011 or something, but I would have loved to have talked to him and he was right here in my backyard. I know, you know, but but yeah, until an alien comes and I still may not believe it. That's, that's the age that we live in right now. Even if it happened, I still may not believe it, like I have full by project blue beam.
Speaker 4:I don't know, I'm just adjaded. Unfortunately, you know that at this point they can fake whatever they want, so why would I believe it? And they're priming us for it, right, they're priming us for something. They're letting everybody know that this is happening in South American countries. I say this all the time, but it's.
Speaker 4:Everybody talks about UFOs like it's commonplace, like yeah, yeah, I saw when there goes that one or whatever. Yeah, they came down. You know all types of alien species. They talk about it like freely. That wasn't the case here in the United States up until very recently. And Tucker Carlson started talking about it. That's a problem. That's a problem. You know when, when, when Fox News is is talking about it, you know. And then to the stars, like blink 182. What the hell, you know? I mean, they sucked as a band and now they destroyed the UFO. Lore for me, because I don't believe it. You know, I don't believe anything that comes out of their mouths. Man, I really don't. And it's been a whole bunch of nothing, to be honest. What's come out of this besides speculation? That's it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's where I'm at, Billy. So to the stars I mean, the guy who co-founded it, I believe, was this guy named Harold Putthoff, who was one of the guys who was investigating at SRI, stanford Research Institute, for a long time. He was a Scientologist. He was actually a really smart guy. I mean, you have to remember, the Ruby laser was invented in something like 1960, and this guy got a PhD in laser physics at the latter end of the 60s. He was a smart guy, but he also worked for the CIA and did plenty of misinformation.
Speaker 2:And Tony mentioned that guy, louis Elizondo. He's on the board to two of the stars, and so that's the thing that really stuck with me. That got it into motion was that New York Times article right in 2017 regarding the Advanced Aerospace Thread Identification Program that Elizondo supposedly was in charge of until 2012. It was backed by money that was pushed through by Harry Reid that they didn't even want to have a discourse on publicly about because it was a black project, and then also, he gave all the money Harry Reid did to his friend, this guy named Robert Bigelow, who I guess is a government jiggalo, and he had CIA connections, too, to the Extrasensory Perception Project, which again cuts into RTI.
Speaker 3:So it just seems like a whole lot of misinformation.
Speaker 6:Yeah, would you say Skinwalker ran into Robert Bigelow. Yeah, he owned it at a certain point. I'm not sure if he still does.
Speaker 5:No, he doesn't own it anymore. And Bigelow transferred from UFOs and the high strangeness into life after death. That's his new all. You put all of his chips on that table. Did you guys know that?
Speaker 4:And that's I don't know if it's just me right, and feel free to disagree with me, but that's also incredibly suspect for me. When somebody and does a complete shift to somewhere else where it's giving you a different stream of income, I mean, if you're at least come out and say, hey, I don't believe in these UFOs anymore. It was a bunch of nonsense, so I'm going in a different direction. I might respect that a little more. I don't know if that's what he did, but I would respect that a little more, rather than just jumping somewhere else and doing a whole nother thing. You don't just abandon something like a UFO, especially if, like, you've spent most of your life researching and looking into something like this. You don't just leave it alone.
Speaker 5:I will say perhaps, and then something that, because I've paid attention to this, at least as a periphery interest for my whole life, since I could read there's something to the phenomenon, like when I said, when I use the term high strangeness, there's something to the phenomenon and UFOs and encounters and metaphysics, and perhaps the entire. The nomenclature that they use for to the stars is a ruse in and of itself, because it may be. It's not from there. You get what they're craft and we don't really know where they emanate. Perhaps they're from here, Perhaps this is a interdimensional or a civilization that is either deep within the ocean or a hollow earth type scenario. Some admiral birds of findings in the late 1940s. I think that if you study it long enough and if you look into the UFO I mean, I'm not an expert, but you have books like Communion that came out and I believe in them. This is from the 90s, right, Chris? Early 90s.
Speaker 6:It was in the 80s because it was turned into a feature film with Christopher Walken, so it was in the early 1980s. And Whitley Strieber, he's kind of suspect too. He's had kind of everyone suspects. But yeah because he started questioning Building 7 pretty early on, whitley Strieber, and he was actually on the money when it came to them, the BBC losing the footage from their archives and things like that, and I don't know. To me he's suspect, but I mean, who isn't?
Speaker 4:I still want to talk to Whitley Strieber at some point.
Speaker 6:I wanted to. I reached out, I reached out.
Speaker 4:I haven't right. Go ahead, tell me.
Speaker 6:No, I reached out and he didn't, maybe because I'm small potatoes or whatever, but he didn't want anything to do with that and I think he I don't. Well, I don't want to say for sure, but there may be a fee involved.
Speaker 5:I'm not sure, oh good, Lord. Red flag number one we don't know fees.
Speaker 4:Seriously, roger Lear is the alien implant guy that I always found incredibly fascinating to. But I'll tell you one thing about fees. I reached out to Eric Von Donneken right, yes. Because I thought that'd be excellent. I wanted to talk to him and speak to him about, you know, ancient aliens and all of that was based on that book and he hit me with yeah, I'll do your show, no problem.
Speaker 4:I'm like go great, he's like a thousand dollars an hour and I literally was like the fuck out of an hour, Get out of it. Who the hell do you think you are? You know, at that point it's like all right, dude, like you're in it, clearly for the money, Clearly right. Like I mean you don't have to do my show, but you don't have to charge me to do it either. Like I mean, just, you know, I'm not interested in doing your show. Fine, no problem, Right? Anyway, go ahead, Chris, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6:No, stuttering John from Howard Stern. He wanted me to pay him $500 and I was like, no, I'm good John, I'm good yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I get that. Well, I mean little. Do all of you know? I'm charging you $25 a minute right now. It's worth it, though I'm not going to pay you for this stream.
Speaker 4:So very much worth it. I'm willing to pay that. I'll pay Tony Arderman to be on my show, but that's it.
Speaker 2:They all do that. I went to Alien Cult one year and it was over here in Taiwan. And yeah, giorgio, you know the guy who's you know hair just sticks all the way up like a bird. He was charging $40 for a picture.
Speaker 6:Oh.
Speaker 4:Giorgio Succoli Right Giorgio.
Speaker 6:Succoli.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so these dudes have become. And this is what is the head of Alien Culture right now. Right, Anybody who's on Ancient Aliens is on the highest demand and it resembles pro-wrestling culture, Like pro-wrestlers go to these conventions and they sit at a table and you've got to pay $25 for a picture that they sign and if you want to take a picture with them, it's like $40 or $50, right, that's the same model that the people from Ancient Aliens use and I'm like, what the hell? Because they come off as see, wrestlers or carnies. They've always been that way, it's what it is right. But these people come off as if they're trying to break something to humanity, to tell people about the truth, right, About where we come from and what we're doing here and all this nonsense. But they're all trying to get money. And this is part of the way, part of why I've been so jaded about it.
Speaker 4:Like I started watching Ancient Aliens the first season and I was fascinated, Like I purchased the whole first season. It's like this is amazing. Then there were like season two. I'm like, yeah, great, we got another season. Then season three. They started to, you know, started to stretch it a little bit. I'm like, okay, season four. Now you're reaching bro. Now you're watching what's up.
Speaker 2:It gets pretty diluted. I love that meme. You've probably seen it. It's Giorgio and he's doing his best. It was an alien impression and his eyes are shut and it says I don't know, therefore, aliens, and he's holding his hands.
Speaker 6:He's always an alien. Yeah, it was aliens.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, no, but still, I still like very much want to believe that this is a thing, right. I just don't know what I subscribe to, more like the interdimensional facet of it or the actual outer space facet of it. I feel like, if aliens needed, if aliens found a way to come here, they're not coming here in a ship. You know, they're not traveling through space in a ship, right? They figured something out of how to get here, how to teleport here or something like that, right? Or some type of wormhole that they could just pop up over here. I don't think they need a physical ship in order to get here, right? So that's a big red flag for me. When I hear ships, that's probably the government, right, and if it's interdimensional, right. That's another thing altogether, and I'm more open to that than I am to the other stuff. Go ahead, tom.
Speaker 5:Well, this is the open question and I often wonder if it's both going on at the same time or multiple facets of the phenomenon, and perhaps things are mimicking other real things so you don't actually know what you're dealing with. Like taking the shape or form very much like a chameleon, I don't know. And go back and we talk about craft. All throughout history I think there's ample evidence of ancient aliens. Von Danigan was onto something about at least how ancient cultures may have seen the same kind of phenomenon throughout human history or dealt with it. Perhaps there was interaction. I remember when I was a little kid and I mean little- kid.
Speaker 5:I mean like eight years, nine years old, I would sometimes work for my dad. He would send me down to one of his convenience stores and I'd mop and clean and sweep. There was this guy. It was a manager at one of the stores. He's probably in his mid-50s or 60s at the time. Real nice guy. He was in the Navy. He started telling me about chariots of the gods when I was eight or nine years old, about looking in the Bible and looking up for references about a Z-Kill, the wheel within the wheel. So many other Enoch bringing that up, even though it's not in the Bible. The history of Western civilization and what could be referred to as craft, or even in the.
Speaker 5:Bible the Israelites they follow the pillar in the sky Go ahead.
Speaker 4:Enoch wasn't the Bible, though briefly, but he was. Yes, but I'm not the book of Enoch there are two books of Enoch or something, but anyway, go ahead and talk.
Speaker 5:You're exactly right, I grew up thinking about this, and so we look at the pop culture, just there's this big shift and that's what really bothered me. I was kind of ahead of this a little bit because I think right after COVID-19, before kicked off, I started to ask myself, as far as sequences, what would be the next things. And so I started. I was like my mind immediately, this is UFOs. And so I started to retrace all my steps and relearn things and reread books, like I went back to Jim Mars 1997 work, alien Agenda, which is a great book, and that's how I learned about Dennis in Texas. But you go back and there's definitely a history of craft. Now you have like the CE5, the Stephen Greer thing where you meditate and then you summon and there'll be a being there. They have an afford on your phone. I'm not talking about that, they do they have an app.
Speaker 6:They have an app, I believe, the serious project right, the Disclosure Project with Stephen Greer.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's like close encounters of the fifth kind where you meditate into another. Okay, so again I'm throwing out that I don't have anything to do with that, but I look at the history. There's, like I've mentioned, dennis in Texas, flying Saucer, the nomenclature and being presented into the lexicon. It's about way before winged aircraft. You're talking about decades before winged aircraft. Well, there's a whole and I'm sure Mr Anderson and Chris can go into this too the 1890s.
Speaker 5:In this country there's a massive amount of airships going on all over the country, people landing and airships, people resembling people, entities resembling human beings would have different stories but very similar and different names. But they would get out an intermingle like and it wouldn't ever be in a major metropolitan area. It's kind of like today when you get a UFO sighting, it's really never over a big city necessarily, unless you're talking about the Phoenix lights. It's usually isolated and they would have these airships go on. And this was a phenomenon happening all over the United States. And you also have the Aurora crash in the late 1890s as well in Texas, aurora, texas where they actually supposed and this is something Jim Mars looked at too they buried a body like a small pilot. It crashed into a. The judge had a windmill. It crashed into that and they buried it in a well and supposedly the well was radioactive. I mean, there's a whole bunch of lore around that too, but there was craft before. We had craft that people were seeing in our time that were recorded by the papers and I don't think it's mass hysteria or that people were trying to compete with each other on what kind of they could make up. That doesn't make any sense. I do think people were seeing something and it's funny because some of them were like benign and some of the stories were absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 5:Like you know, if you read the book Flying Saucer's Serious Business and I think Mr Anderson and myself listen to that book on audio on the way back from visiting Bill Cooper's grave back in 2021. There's a bunch of stories in there about the late 1890s and like hideous beings getting out of like well, what would they even be thinking they're looking at? By the way it's, the only head is hot air balloons. At the time, what would they think? This? You know, a fixed craft landing in your cornfield and something getting out of it that looks hideous. I mean, why would some? I mean and there's a these are supposedly credible people at the time seeing stuff like this. So you know, there was a I don't think there was ever really a pause, but it really kicked off into the 1940s and after we dropped the bomb, after we harnessed the power of the sun, you know somehow, and did the fission bomb. Well, that's basically what it is.
Speaker 2:I was thinking of a cow done again, or sorry, another bit, oh sorry.
Speaker 5:That's a, we need to play that skit sometime. Yes, but that's exactly what we. We made some technological leap and I happened to think that there is something to that. We detonated the, you know, at Los Alamos. You know the first bomb. And then, following that, you know, within within two years, at the same place. You know, roswell was a home of the bomber wing that had the Enola Gay, that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right, okay, so there's.
Speaker 5:And by, oh, also, ufo lore. I always find this interesting. Nobody ever brings it up, really, you know, they have them. We have the movie Independence Day, which is, you know, july 4th. If you go back and look at the actual timeline on Roswell, it's July 4th. I don't know. Nobody ever put two and two together on that Again, if you could, and a book that's not on Kindle, that you can barely find anymore, is Jim Mars work. I'm going to reread it again, but there's a bunch of history in there. I try to. You know, there's something with the phenomenon itself, with the craft, and then we go into it. We make another leap in the 50s and 60s on interaction, what they call the CE protocols, with close encounters. Right, chris, he's muted. You're muted, buddy.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, the close encounters. Yeah, that was right on the kind of the dawn of Project Bluebeam, things like that grudge, like you had mentioned. Yeah, so it was right around that time. But you know what I actually think UFOs could be? I haven't heard anyone else bring it up. I mean you could have an interdimensional. That would be a good one, because there's a lot of sightings where the craft kind of blinks in and out of existence in a way or kind of like out of thin air kind of you hear a lot about that. Could it be? It could also be time travel, like people bring up the idea that it could be human beings from the far future coming back to look back. But I also go the other way. It could be human beings from the far past, because we always hear about how ancient technology and how civilizations could have been like way beyond what we have today. I mean I'll say as an example, something like Atlantis or the Egyptians or whatever something had to account for those pyramids and things like that Could be aliens. I mean that's a famous example too, I guess, that alien interference or whatever.
Speaker 6:But I think it could be a time travel or the most likely suspect is in my opinion. I think there was a worldwide and here's Mr Conspiracy hat, tinfoil hat on right now, I think after post World War II, on a global scale, kind of like in 2020, in a way, where all the world governments kind of agreed with one another or they agreed to work with one another, and I think the whole UFO phenomenon from the 1940s going forward was kind of a international not just domestic, but international like spot like spying program. Because what's the better? What better cover do you have when you got people that are afraid for their careers, their lives, their family and friends and just their reputation in general then to be labeled a kook at the time? And that was what better cover would you have? Because no one, most people are not going to want to say like, talk about what they saw for fear of ridicule things like that.
Speaker 6:So I think I have a good feeling that a lot of, especially the one I saw in 1998, it was about almost a year to the month, it was in March of 1998 in Sharon, massachusetts, I actually saw the black triangle that you hear about every now and then, real silent kind of. It's kind of like the saucer was of the 60s, but then the triangle kind of took over in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s and it was really creepy and it just made sudden movements and it was above an old farm field in Sharon, massachusetts, in the dead of winter and it had like a little strobe light looking down, almost like the Travis Walton thing, with Fire in the Sky, which is another big part of the reason I got into the whole UFO phenomenon going to see that movie, because my father originally my father was supposed to take me to see the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Part 3 when they're time traveling back in China, back to old China, where he goes, I'm not going, he goes.
Speaker 6:I don't want to see that shit. So he dragged me off to Fire in the Sky. You know what? It was one of the best things that guy ever did for me. It's terrifying, son. It's terrifying and you know it's funny.
Speaker 6:Tony brought up the Bill Cooper grave thing. Coincidentally, I was like maybe a week or two after that going to visit Bill Cooper's grave and around that time when I was in Arizona, I went to Snowflake, arizona, where you know the White Mountains with Travis Walton, where the whole story takes place. Coincidentally enough, another famous or infamous White Mountains in New Hampshire I went to because I went to see the spot supposedly close to the spot where Betty and Barney Hill were abducted and I actually went to their graves too. That not, it wasn't near the White Mountains, but it was also in New Hampshire. And it's just weird that the two, those two stories, betty and Barney Hill, their abduction, which a lot of people say is like kind of like. I don't know if it was the exact first documented, I don't think it was but it gets cited as being one of the.
Speaker 6:One of the most famous beginning cases of alien abduction was Betty and Barney Hill. They were an interracial couple at the time and for them to speak out like the way they did. You know they didn't want any, any of that attention. You know, if they hadn't experienced something terrifying because back then the interracial marriage thing was a big no-no, so they didn't want any other kind of attention and they made a movie with James Earl Jones and, I think, rosemary Harris, I think, or in the 1975, which was also the same year that Travis Walton got abducted, supposedly I tend to believe it.
Speaker 6:But the other thing, I won't go on and on, but it's just weird how the White Mountains was like not the same ones, but the White Mountains were in both of those stories and those are two of the most famous cases of alien abduction like in history, as far as modern history at least. And you know it's funny, I used to listen to Bill Cooper all the time and other people in the late 90s, you know, like Free World Alliance, you know that website and everything, and they would have articles all about how alien abduction stories could very well have been a military project as well. Just human experimentation, which I I put some stock into that, some of that too, and cattle mutilations, like there's all kinds of I think there's a lot of government interference, like most people on in the X Files kind of supports that. But the X Files producers, chris Carter and Vince Gilligan, they would come out and tell, tell you that the CIA would routinely give them plot points and plot ideas all the time.
Speaker 4:They also borrowed heavily from Bill Cooper, right, they went over the entire time from Bill Cooper. A couple of things, right, just to circle back to Eric Von Donikin, because, you know, ancient aliens is fascinating, right, it's a fascinating show. But one of the things that caught me there was Lord Pekal's sarcophagus, right, I don't know if the guys are familiar, but it's probably our. It's the the Mayan time trap. I mean the Mayan space traveler, right, because he's in a, he's sitting down and he's got the gears and there's the fire coming out from from underneath and all that.
Speaker 4:And my cousin is an archaeologist, right, I sit with her and I'm like hey, come here, what does this mean? You know, she like you because she's specifically specialized in Mesoamerica, you know, um, that's where I come from, right, that's why. So that's what she does. And so she sits down and looks at it and she's like this is total nonsense. What are you? Why are you subscribing to this? I'm like, I'm not, I'm just thinking it's really, really fascinating. I'm like, can you explain it to me? And she's like what he's doing is he's just looking at this and interpreting what he sees, as you know, as a Iraqi. There's no explanation of what these symbols actually mean? He has no idea. And she starts breaking it down and it's, of course, it's a mainstream explanation, but she has more information behind her explanation than he did behind his, you know, which is all visual, and she goes, you know, that's the Lord Pekal traveling to the underworld, right, his soul is moving from the living to the dead right, and she broke down some more stuff for me, you know, and I was like, okay, all right.
Speaker 4:And then what was even more interesting, you know, because I was always fascinated as a kid with Ezekiel's wheel, because my grandmother read that to me while I was a kid, you know, and it's a wheel within a wheel, within a wheel right, and it sounds like, you know, when I got the explanation from ancient aliens, it's like damn, I never looked at it that way, right, but there is such a thing as the wheel angels. Right, there's the orphan, I think, there is the seraphim and the cherubim right, and these are the angels right that protect the throne of God right. Now, that's another explanation for it. It's the throne angels and the wheel angels right. So there's that aspect of it, but we can look at it and turn it into whatever we want, but what did it actually mean? And what evidence do we have to say that it meant what the ancient aliens?
Speaker 4:People are saying to sensationalize this and clearly make money off of it, because that's what they're doing, right. And so I look at stuff like that and I'm like man. We really need to reevaluate. Not, and I don't know much about the monas, right, you know, but that looks like flying saucers to me. But I'm sure somebody that is well-versed in the Hindu religion, right, we'll sit down and explain this to me and say, well, here's what I'm saying. I'm gonna sit down and explain this to me and say, well, here's what this actually means. The Bhagavad Gita yeah, the Bhagavad Gita, right? Well, that's a whole other thing. All right, mr Anderson, what's up?
Speaker 2:We were gonna say something. Oh, I was just gonna say they're kind of like Rorschach tests. You kind of look into things the way you want to, right. But since we're trending towards the Bible, the thing that always gets me about it is it talks about in 2 Thessalonians, because I'm a Christian. So that's the lense through which I look at everything.
Speaker 2:I look at the great deception or the great apostasy, and how many will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and usher in a kind of new world order. So when this sort of stuff becomes in vogue and people are no longer fearful of repercussions for being very public and actually monetizing these things, like for me, I always look at Stephen Greer, and so one of the first things he categorizes as a lie that he immediately dismisses is the attempt to discredit these things, such as alien encounters, as encounters with demons. He says that's an outright lie, and that's usually the first one he puts up there, and the second thing he talks about is how they're good. And so, with me having the perspective I do, I always say whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2:Pump the brakes here a little bit, because that would be a really great deception, and it seems more and more people are getting on that bandwagon, but I actually, tony, I was gonna piggyback on what you were talking about with regard to flying saucers and serious business and some of the creatures that looked menacing. I mean, what do all of y'all think about that Las Vegas encounter this summer with the phone call when there was a landing and this kid was crying, basically on the phone, and the only reason I think people in hindsight took it very seriously is there was dash cam footage from a police vehicle that caught the object that looked like it was barreling down. I don't know. I'll open that up to y'all.
Speaker 4:You know what? I'm not familiar, right, so I'm gonna let that go around. But I will add this just now I don't know if you guys heard, but there's a whole thing going down in Miami. I'm not sure if it's right or wrong, I mean real or fake, I have no idea right? I'm just looking at what it's being put out on social media and there was about 200 or 250 cop cars according to the people's reports out there and people are saying that there were large looking monster, alien, slash, interdimensional creatures running around in this mall when did this happen?
Speaker 5:This happened within the last few days.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and they're saying that that it was tons of cops out there.
Speaker 5:They had like 50 police cars at least.
Speaker 4:Right, I mean, and they have pictures of it, right, and I mean, what do you believe nowadays? But there's several pictures of it and it's tons. The police presence is ridiculous and the explanation that they gave for it was that a couple of kids were having a fight and they had to fight, you know. So that it's interesting Cars attacks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead, cars attacks. What a great movie.
Speaker 6:Go ahead. Cars attacks at the mall. I could see that.
Speaker 4:Tell them what's up, Chris. What's going on?
Speaker 6:I don't buy into any of that. I know exactly the video that Mr Anderson is talking about. I don't know. Maybe I'm like the rest of you I think you guys were mentioning earlier. I don't believe anything on the news anymore. So, whether it's Bluebeam or Propaganda, I was questioning the whole why it was becoming popular during the lockdowns, because that's when the Pentagon started leaking out these videos and they were going against protocol, as opposed to in the past where you need to shun everyone that's in here.
Speaker 5:New York Times. Right after Trump's inauguration 2017, they released a Tic Tac video.
Speaker 2:It was December. Yeah, right then.
Speaker 6:So that had my red flags up right around that time and I'm like, is that the next level? Kind of like what Tony was saying, like what are they going to use next? And I think Don and I were joking about it off the air and I think he brought it up on America on Plut he goes. I wouldn't put it past him for Godzilla to be coming out of the ocean next.
Speaker 5:Danny's unvaccinated. Yeah, he's not wearing a mask. He's not wearing a mask.
Speaker 2:He's trying to haul over here.
Speaker 4:Just to add to that, though, because we got about 20 minutes before we have to bail, and I just want to say what's up to everybody at the FreeWorldfm chat. There's people there already. We have a live show coming up after this, right? So stay tuned for the rant cast coming up right after this and everybody on Rockfinn, what's up. We were going to migrate you guys over to FreeWorld, but we're going to go on the honor system when we go off the air. Come over to FreeWorld. There's a live show on FreeWorldfm. Anyway, go ahead, Mr Anderson.
Speaker 2:No, I was just going to add onto what Chris was saying. Yeah, that all reeks of bull crap to me, because real whistleblowers end up in the maximum security prison, you know, at Belmarsh, yes, when you actually embarrassed the government.
Speaker 5:We're dead or broke. We're dead, yeah, yeah. Real, as Don Jeffries work points out real whistleblowers. There's nothing but darkness for you and you don't get the accolades. You're not a what is that? I remember that guy, the carabello guy, that he was the whistleblower on Trump and Ukraine and they had to protect him at all costs. And I'm like you're just a shill for the establishment because the establishment does not protect real whistleblowers.
Speaker 6:Just look at Danny Casalaro. That's all. Yes, there you go.
Speaker 4:Wayne McCrory just sent me a. Hey, what's up, Wayne McCrory, how are you? Just sent me a video right now because he's in the chat over at Free World and he sent me a video of the Miami incident. So everybody should go look at that because it's interesting as hell. I'll send it to everybody here if you guys haven't seen it yet. So I'll check it out, wayne, and thank you for being over at Free Worldfm right now. Go ahead, tony.
Speaker 5:Well, we're going to have more of these shows, because this is not even. We're just touching the surface of and I want to dig deeper with my crew here, and thanks again to Mr Anderson and Chris Graves, I mean, they make paratrooper happen. This is my research show and thank you, billy, for allowing us to be on your platform. We have so much to talk about. I don't want the real history of UFOs and encounters and the phenomenon to get muddied and sullied by whatever the hell this is now and I can promise you or you're talking about the Miami incident I'm into trends, I follow history, I follow trends. We're going to be dealing with this more and more in the future. It's, hands down, something you have to learn.
Speaker 5:If you don't know what happened before, if you don't know the history of whatever this is, then you're going to get caught off guard because the mainstream media is going or whatever they are by the way, mainstream, the Mockingbird press, is going to create something totally different, whether it's a project blue beam scenario or just a way to inflate another lockdown or the military industrial complex budget, I don't know, but there is something nefarious buried in all of this. It's not pretty. I don't want to rain on people's parades, but I think there's a lot of folks out there that think this is our space brothers and people are here to help us. I'm not so sure of any of that. I don't see any evidence of that that anybody's here to help us. I do know that the reason that Behold a Pale Horse was released was because the lady that was going to publish it for the work for Bill Cooper channeled an extraterrestrial. I don't know if you guys know that. Do you know that, chris? Do you know that story?
Speaker 6:I don't?
Speaker 5:Yeah, supposedly she chained that and the extraterrestrial said that it would be good for people to wake up to release the book.
Speaker 6:Just remember, bill Cooper changed his tune in terms of the alien, the whole extraterrestrial scenario too. He thought that that's why he kind of concentrated on more earthbound things later on in his last years, like things like Oklahoma City, twa, all that stuff, 9-11, especially predicting it basically.
Speaker 4:He publicly said that he was coming away from the UFO thing. Right, he did yes.
Speaker 5:He read a speech from Thomas Dewey. Thomas Dewey was where you get the Dewey Decimal System. He was a socialist philosopher and a supporter of Leon Trotsky. He read a speech from Thomas Dewey during the First World War basically saying that what would really benefit the mankind would be a unified defense of the planet itself. If you go back and listen to some of the speeches that Reagan had in front of the UN, by the way, reagan had a reputation for somebody who really followed the phenomenon closely, a Colin Powell actually called Reagan's love of this his little green men, because he was always trying to find new movies or any kind of popular lore or anything on UFOs. While he was president he spoke out again. He spoke and said think how easy our jobs would be at the UN between governments if we had an outside threat. Bill Clinton, I believe, mentioned it too.
Speaker 5:If you notice, something weird happened after the space program gosh. That's a whole other. We're going to do that on paratruth or two. We're going to do something about the moon. We're going to do a moon paratruth or it won't be live, because we're going to need to really unpack a lot of stuff for history, like what is the moon itself? Something happened after the space program that ended really in December of 1972, as Mr Anderson reminded me, not 1973. Something happened when we never went back, if we ever went.
Speaker 5:This is an open question what civilization goes backwards in technology where we told not to come back? Is there something very weird about all of this, like our leaps in technology being stunted? I follow that very closely. Why are we still in the same place, the country that we should be? We should be leaps and leaps ahead of where we are right now. It seems very controlled. Those who control technology Even go back to the 90s and I forget the gentleman's name, but he was head of the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works and somebody finally cornered him on the parking lot and said were you talking about? Like we said we had the technology to take ET home? What does that mean? I think there's a lot of interwoven mystery to this. I don't know what they're doing now, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Tony, sorry I was just going to say also in 1972 was when Stanford Research Institute launched their ESP research program and Ingo Swan, who was one of the main people who demonstrated, at least to them, extra sensory or remote viewing. He also questioned why the Apollo program ended and why the Soviet Union never sent a human and abandoned ideas to colonize the moon. So you have this kind of convolution of events all at the same time and there's some real weird connections that I think maybe in a future paratruth or we can connect a lot of this alien phenomena to this ESP or ESP research programs. It's very interesting.
Speaker 5:Oh, I agree with you on that. I mean, there's so much to unpack with remote viewing and they just remote viewing and the phenomenon itself and extraterrestrials, metaphysics, they all connect. So it's not a terrestrial, it's not a thing that is in the third dimension. These are subjects that are outside of what I think are normal perception, normal reality. It's why they are the paranormal. What do you think, Chris?
Speaker 6:Yeah, no, I agree. I mean there's people will probably laugh. Some people might laugh but, like during bigfoot sightings, there's usually some kind of a UFO connection, sometimes the ESP thing, I don't know what to make a remote viewing. To be honest, I'm open to the idea. Sometimes people put out the idea that some of these craft actually are being maneuvered like telepathically. That's like that's an idea. That's there too. Do you guys remember whether or not? I can't remember if it was Buzz Aldrin or Neil Armstrong who made the comment to Houston during the space mission yes, houston, there is a Santa Clause. Do you guys remember hearing?
Speaker 5:that. No, we need to look that up and perhaps cover that. I can try to look that up in real time, but I pulled up something.
Speaker 6:Supposedly the idea was that they were warned off the moon because there was three huge saucers near a crater, and I can't really find where the quote, whether it was Buzz Aldrin or Neil Armstrong, but supposedly on the radio transmission they let it be known that there was some kind of a threat, that they felt threatened and that maybe that we were warned off the moon.
Speaker 5:They just set off a whole conspiracy from a studio in Burbank with walkie-talkies.
Speaker 6:I've been to Burbank yeah.
Speaker 5:I was looking at the. It was always fascinating, to me too. I've got the clip If you guys want me to play it. We have just a little bit of time left. It's only like a minute 41. But it has the quote from Leonard Nimoy. He narrates it, but it has. Colonel Gordon Cooper had an encounter with the UFO and Cooper was an astronaut. Go ahead, chris.
Speaker 6:Oh no, Billy just did the Vulcan thing and I thought I could still do it.
Speaker 5:I just saw it on the corner. You guys want me to play that. Yeah, play it. Okay. There's just a little clip that I pulled up One second. Let's find history. There we go Stand by, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay, there we go.
Speaker 3:Reports of strange, unidentified flying objects have continued to trickle in throughout the centuries, echoing incidents in ancient times. In the 1940s, the term flying saucer had entered the vocabulary of a stunned and fascinated world. Suddenly, seemingly everywhere, the skies were filled with UFOs of every description. In the ensuing decades, UFOs were witnessed by people from all levels of society. Even astronauts saw them.
Speaker 1:I personally believe in UFOs, and I believe in UFOs before I got into the space program. I just personally believe that there are other civilizations somewhere out there that people are traveling from.
Speaker 5:That's Gordon Cooper.
Speaker 1:This is in the early 1950s, when I was flying fighters in Germany and these objects were coming over our base. That appeared to be the same kind of formations that we fly in our fighters. On occasion their movements were more erratic than ours, which meant they could really accelerate laterally and accelerate four and a half more readily than we did, but we felt that they looked very much like high-flying fighters, except they had no wings. They were certainly higher and faster than any airplanes we know of here on Earth that tick of time and they certainly appeared to be saucer-shaped in the time.
Speaker 5:Well, that's just a little clip there that was off the History Channel. I always like to see something that you know. You get these astronauts and test pilots and people coming out and saying, no, I saw that, I saw, or you have you know, mount Rainier 1947. This is right before Roswell, kenneth Arnold. Again, I don't want people to lose sight of the actual history and I think that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 5:It's like they're removing the decades of history before the Tic Tac video which, by the way, if you ask me, I don't think that's an extra-trestrial vehicle, me neither. Right, some of these phenomenon that they're sending out on these naval. I'm like, oh, that's us, we're screwing with that. We've got some new test thing and we're using the military, the standard military, to bounce off what it is and see what their reactions are. I don't think that's at least the majority of them. There may be some that they have Like, if you see, and gosh, we should pull that. We should have had this up too, because we don't have enough time. But there's the nuclear silos all throughout the 1980s, the Cold War tensions, and they'd have they replay videos of them doing test launches and there'd be craft circling it and hitting it with laser beams In the 60s too.
Speaker 6:In the 60s too, Like there was a famous East Coast blackout in 1966. All through that time and I don't know Billy, Billy ever heard of the blackout from 66. Yeah, but like New York City, Boston, like everything, and there were all kinds of sightings around nuclear facilities and electrical plants of like saucers, Right, and that tended to be the type of you know you had later on, like I had described, like the black triangle, and then you had the cigar shaped ones and you got orbs and all that. But the 60s seemed to be ripe for the flying saucer and they were always being reported around you know nuclear facilities and power stations and things like that. So some people thought maybe they were draining some power, but sometimes they even shut them down, scared the hell out of everybody, Like the nuclear sites, Like they would just shut them down almost to say like, look what we can do, Try to stop us. You know, yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, it's one of the great questions of life, right, if we're alone or if there's more right Outside of this realm in reality? Well, and I guess we'll never find out until it's time to go, and right. So we'll find out. Just probably not here, because we're not going to get disclosure. At least that's my prediction. Let's get up out of here, tony. Tell them where they can find you.
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Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, I know I'm on Paratruther and I look forward to many, many, many different things and more alien or UFO type things in the future. That's exciting, especially the moon. And I got Cranium Blender, which is like a pop culture music show, on Wednesday on Free World on FM Digging Chris Craves on Friday nights, right after I protest with Donald Jeffries and my old show Get Mad, what I was able to sell, but of it we're playing that on Monday nights on Free Worldgovfm.
Speaker 4:Fantastic. All right, mr Anderson, tell the people what's up.
Speaker 2:Not much is up. You can find me at the Milford School. If you're familiar with the rest of development Other than that, just Paratruther.
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