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Speaker 2:You're listening to the David Night Show Music.
Speaker 3:As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday, the 29th of December, Year of our Lord, 2023. Well, I'm Tony Arterburn. I'm filling in for the great David Night. I am joined by the legendary guard Goldsmith. Thanks for having me. We've got a great show lined up for you. We've got guard here in the first hour, Don Jeffries in the second and a very special third hour, Charlie Robinson, Mr Anderson, Billy Ray Valentine, and talk about a new phenomenon of Gen Zers Looking up to Osama bin Laden. They like Tim Osmond. Can you believe it, guard?
Speaker 4:It's one heck of a sell Music.
Speaker 3:Well, what an absolute honor the final David Night Show for the year. We're closing in strong, giving David time off, which he I don't know how he does it Guard. You're a veteran now of hosting this show. Does that just give you all the more respect for what David does? I've started filling in in 2019. It does not get easier, my friend. It's amazing Both vets now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, tony, it's great to see you. Happy New Year early. Thanks for being such a stalwart anchor during 2023 in my life and also on your own programs. And when you fill in for David and join David on Thursdays, usually at 10.30 in the morning, eastern time, and that's not to plug, but boy praising David Night is not sufficient. The work that he does, as you know, the burden that you feel for the audience is, I think, only paralleled or matched by the burden that you feel because you're so honored to fill in for David, who does such astounding work, that you want to step, you've got to step it up. You've got to do an amazing job.
Speaker 3:Well, I think having you on helps to expand the intelligence quotient of the show. For sure. I'm glad you're here in the first hour and again, we've got a great show lined up for you. Final show of the year for the David Night Show. We're going to close strong with a round table panel. Hey, do you want to do the third hour? You're welcome to come back or just stay on the line. I don't. Whatever you'd like, gardner.
Speaker 4:Those people are all great heroes of mine. I'd love to stop by say hello, wish him happy new year and, of course, let them know that the IRS agents will be stopping by this year.
Speaker 3:That was 87,000.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know they're going to come before the FBI because of course these guys might be concerned parents hanging around outside of their school board meeting, and that's evil. Or there could be Catholics, so that's evil too.
Speaker 3:Well they're from the government and they're here to help. They're here to help, oh goodness. Well, I've got. Gardner and I were talking off air and, by the way, we're streaming live on FreeWorldfm. That's the group project between myself and Billy Ray Valentine and Don Jeffries and others. Garber will be joining us there. We got a lot of great hosts. It's another lifeboat we made for free speech. So if you're hearing about this, david will be streaming live there very soon and working out some of the technical issues. But FreeWorldfm is picking up the show, so I wanted to shout that out as well and I will be paying attention to the Rockfinchat to hear on David's channel for sure. I'll periodically kind of go back and forth. So if you've got comments and questions or anything you want to throw into the Rockfinchat, you're certainly welcome to do that.
Speaker 3:Gardner and I were talking off air and this is another aspect of why I respect David so much. You have to choose. In this era, or, as David would say, error. In this era, you look around and say, okay, what are the headlines that mean the most? What can I glean? Because I only got three hours. It seems like a long time, but when you're talking about this massive amount of news coverage and information. What are some of the themes? And that's kind of what I do with my show. And Gardner and I were talking off air and I said, no, did you see the story about how Russia and Iran formerly and they've been doing this for a while, but backing away they dumped the dollar? And Gardner says yes and he goes. And then I saw where Lindsey Graham called for the bombing of Iran and I said aha, I did the same thing. I put it together. The stories are right next to each other. I mean, it's so predictable. Now let's pull up this headline. I want to talk a little bit about this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and hats off to the anti-war people. They do a great job at antiwarcom.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. I need to get better at sending them some donations. I've used antiwarcom for years and years. After I started reading Pat Buchanan. Let me just pull this up. Here's the story here. Stand by yeah, russia, iran finally dumped the US dollar for good. And this is off MSNcom and a bold move that shakes the foundations of international trade. Russia and Iran have officially turned their backs on the US dollar. This decision, a strategic pivot towards utilizing local currencies and their bilateral trade marks a significant shift in the global economic landscape. The move not only challenges the dollar's dominance, but signals a deeper integration within the BRICS alliance as Iran prepares to join its ranks in 2024.
Speaker 4:Gee, nobody could have seen that coming.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I mean our 40 different sanctions on 36 different countries weaponizing the dollar. We abandoned the Breton Woods system. Oh, we didn't break our word, did we Guard Having Richard Nixon take us off the gold standard in 1971. That didn't completely disrupt the new economic world order from 1944 onwards, no right.
Speaker 4:Of course, they were deceptively sort of breaking their word from the moment the Fed began, because they were surreptitiously issuing going into fractional reserve banking and they weren't telling people that they only had a fraction of what they could have promised to people if they wanted to redeem their dollars for the percentage of gold that they promised, right up to the point where Nixon said okay, yeah, a lot of foreigners have been buying our gold, so don't tell anybody.
Speaker 4:But we've already lost a lot of the United States held gold at Fort Knox. So, yeah, it looks like we're pretty much going to have to go off this fictitious dollar connection to announce a gold, because that was one of the reasons why they said well, you know, once we allow people to own gold again, guess what people are not going to want to hold on to that dollar that they keep pumping out? They can't keep pumping out the gold the way they pump out the dollars. So guess which one is going to lose its value? And that's what they do. And of course, they have incentive to do that, because they can only tax so high to keep funding their welfare pigsty. And then they can. So they have to borrow, and the only way they can facilitate their borrowing is, of course, by getting the Federal Reserve to buy their bonds and create more money by doing so, which is destructive to the productive capacity of every human being out there.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, and there's so many factors to what the term is called de-dollarization, and that's one. It's a theme that I talk about all the time on my programs, any time I'm a guest anywhere, because it's the historical implications of what's going on not being picked up by the mainstream media. It's going to be like something we've never, actually ever experienced in history, because we have never lost the world's reserve currency status, as the American people. You know, in 1944, as you know, gardner they set up the Bretton Woods system You've mentioned, you've been to the Bretton Woods, the hotel there where they met.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my brother had his wedding there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right. And they set up the IMF. They set gold at $35 an ounce. It became the world's reserve currency and that lasted until that system lasted until 1971. And one of the you know, the themes going on through the 60s was the debasing of our coinage. You know the 1964 was the last time that we had silver in our half dollars quarters and dimes and dollars from the US Mint. Other countries took notice. As a matter of fact, I was talking yesterday to a friend of mine, mr Anderson. I said you know that the Gaul, the president of France, sent his warships over in the late 1960s to pick up the gold Because other countries, they wanted those dollars redeemable in gold. And this is interesting because I was talking to guard off here.
Speaker 3:I bought yesterday from a customer I don't usually buy notes, but this one and there's another one I'll talk about later a $5 bill. This is a $20 bill from 1950. Okay, I know you can't really see it on the camera's. Not great, I can't reach that far, but it's a. It's a $1950, $20 bill and let's see if I can. I need, I need a magnifying glass really, but there's some fine print on this bill that you won't see on a modern Federal Reserve note $20 bill and if you'll bear with me, I'll see if I can read it. And of course, this says this note is legal tender, you know, and is is can be cleared, clearing all debts, public and private, and is redeemable this is the key is redeemable in lawful money.
Speaker 4:Otherwise known as gold, species currency, gold, right, right, and, of course, the difference between species and fiat. If people aren't familiar, a species is hard currency, gold, silver, some other recognizable long term commodity that people find of common value. And fiat currency is that which is imposed on us by government fiat. And and you're right, you know, the interesting thing, tony, is you had to buy a fiat and the interesting thing is you had that happening and people were aware of it. When Roosevelt called for people to turn in their gold. My mom told me my grandfather, who had only a sixth grade education, ended up owning a company with you know three plants. He actually owned the very tip of Montauk Point on Long Island and they had, they had to sell it. It's worth, like you know, $10 million now or something like that, but they had to sell it. So he had been a very successful guy. He's like don't weigh my turn of my gold into that criminal.
Speaker 4:And over the years, of course, the imbalance grows and grows between what they're issuing in the paper currency and what people can actually redeem. Because if they wanted to redeem that, say, in 1955, they would, they might, it wouldn't, they would have been issuing more of those slips. So if people, if all the people who had those slips wanted to redeem them in 1950, there'd be a higher chance that the US Mint, the US government, the Federal Reserve could, the Federal Reserve could exchange it for what they promised they could exchange it for. As the years go by, more people have those things, but they don't actually represent the same percentage. Now it's a smaller percent. More people have them. They go to turn them in Sorry, we sold out, it's gone. And then Nixon, as you say, breaks in at the what was it? The close of Bonanza or during Bonanza?
Speaker 3:in the 70s. Yeah, it breaks in August 15, 1971, interrupts an episode of Bonanza and takes us off the closes the gold window. He used used the word temporary, so 50 plus years ago. Well, the interesting thing about this guard is that this, this is a redeemable and lawful money. So what it's saying is this isn't money.
Speaker 5:Right, this is a certificate.
Speaker 3:Right, this is a certificate so you can obtain lawful money and how and the, the credit and the. The cruel joke about this is in 1950, you couldn't get as a, as a private citizen, you couldn't get this redeemable and gold. This was for the other countries that use the dollar. That's what this was for.
Speaker 4:And you know they should point out that that sort of draws, that distinction between statute and constitution and statute and natural law, those, you know, the items that we agreed to ourselves personally as human beings, as something that we recognize as something with value, and we make a contract and make an agreement that's based on natural law. That's the respect under God and agreement. We don't lie, we don't cheat, we don't steal. Statute, of course, written by the state on between those on the. On the constitutional level, people often will use the term lawful when they are sliding something in nowadays to say, well, is it, is it, is it a lawful? They're implying constitutional but they don't really mean it. But that actually does mean constitutional because the constitution only permits the federal government, not something that's granted a monopoly by the government called the Federal Reserve. It only grants the federal government the ability to coin money and affix the value thereof, and it's not even supposed to be the exclusive money. That's one of the things Ron Paul has brought up.
Speaker 4:Anybody who's interested in free banking and understanding how to stop the inflationary process is get it out, completely away from any political hands, because they're the ones who are incentivized to use the, the statues, to say this is all you can deal with and then just keep creating it to pay off all these people that they gave promises to so they can get votes.
Speaker 4:If we had a private banking system and the banks were holding their own stores of gold or silver and they wanted to issue redemption slips that they might call whatever you know bank a dollar or bank B dollar, whatever then we could compare and say excuse me, can I check your stocks? Are you operating on a fractional reserve? Do you have enough that? If you have issued these papers, my friends, if I give them this, they will know that they can go in and get that solid, real money, that so-called lawful money, whether or not it's under under the Constitution you want to think of it as the Constitution or it's just person on person? Am I ripping them off if I give them this, or will they get the money? And then if the banks say, sorry, we don't want to show you well, then we wouldn't go to the banks and my friends wouldn't take that money.
Speaker 3:Well, right, it's a trust issue and that's what the crux of the dollarization is, not only the sanctions. And we were talking about Iran and Russia, and this has been going on a long time. And Russia, in the last 18 months, has called US dollar candy wrappers. That's from their finance minister. Right, they stopped using dollars. They've done all kinds of deals with direct, you know, country to country, using gold, using the Chinese yuan. You know, trading crude for discount. You know if it's paid for in rubles. I mean, they've just they've gone around the swift system, yeah, and these other bricks are on the on the rise.
Speaker 3:We're talking about the massive decline in the use of the dollar, which is called money velocity. Now I want to. You know, it'd be great if we could run a simulation to see what would Lindsey Graham be doing if fiat currency didn't exist, if we didn't have a fake dollar. Would we have fake people like Lindsey Graham in in the halls of power? Would he? Would he be a factor without unlimited fiat currency? I tend to think the people like Lindsey Graham would not be on the world stage. He would not be in the United States Senate.
Speaker 4:No way, he'd probably be trying out for an off Broadway production of Gomer Pyle or something like that.
Speaker 3:Maybe Pirates of Penn's Dance I don't know you took it there. Is he going to be in the South Pacific? He's going to do. Yeah, lady Lindsey.
Speaker 4:And you know what's. What's pretty funny, tony, is I don't have to go to the share screen thing, but on my screen I have the exact same article. You and I are thinking like our minds are connected. It's just amazing how this, this system, especially the United States United States inflationary system, starting with World War One on the, the central banking system, has facilitated all so much of the United States militarism around the world. And if you look at the, the fallouts to that, whether it's through the military industrial complex, that Lockheed Martin's, the bowings of the world, the BAE's that grow so big, and then the secondary effects from that, which is the feedback loop.
Speaker 4:Going back to politicians, I've mentioned before former Senator, united States Senator from New Hampshire, kelly Ayotte. She got bumped out and all of a sudden she gets put on the board of Boeing. At the same time she's on the board of Boeing, she's on the board of Fox News. Where is she appearing on Fox News? Talking about how more weapons should go to Ukraine, and now she's running for governor of New Hampshire. So this system becomes very corrupt. But even the local people, they might not even realize that them and you are in the military. You know. I'm sure you recognize this as well the vast expansion of the military influence in the United States. The military, corporate, fascist ties go all the way to the base closures. And how angry so many people were when they were trying to close some of the bases not my backyard, this is our jobs. So it becomes very intractable when you have this sort of inflated system and right now the shakedown is starting.
Speaker 4:You know, just like at the end of Wizard of Oz, when the wizard says you, liquidated, are a very resourceful of you. Well, there are two signals there. First, you've got to liquidate assets that are up too high and there's been malinvestment, in this case in the war machine. And the second one is you've got to allow the prices to reflect the real value of those resources, based on the choices of the market, of the people in it.
Speaker 4:Well, since the United States population sort of assumes that it's a very important role for the United States to defend the United States, the United States government, to engage in defense, and they use that as a smoke stream to engage in offense and payoffs all over the world, opening bases all over the planet, surrounding Iran with bases, evidently that's the sort of ring that Lindsey Graham really likes a ring of bases around foreign nations.
Speaker 4:So many people get inculcated in this idea of well, if you stand against that, you're against the troops. Well, maybe our perception of the United States and the way that the Monroe Doctrine has been warped and expanded over the past 150-200 years, maybe that ought to be readjusted. And part of this, now, with the BRICS nations shaking things out, I think we're going to see tremendous push, as you see right there on the screen you brought it up people like Lindsey Graham and the Warhawks. They're going to come up with any excuse or rationale they can to try to gin up even more war and they're targeting they're going to target Syria and they're going to target Iran big time.
Speaker 3:Well, seven countries in five years, yeah, yeah absolutely, and I think that's the way that the Iraq just happened to walk in on that at the Pentagon post 9-11. This reminds me a lot of John McCain's bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. Iran 2007.
Speaker 4:Absolutely John McCain, by the way, the man of whom I have photographs shaking hands with Ole Tianibach, the admitted Nazi of Ukraine, as they were arranging the new government, with Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Paiitt on the phone in their famous F the EU phone conversation from early 2014, while they were getting Hunter Biden put in a barisma after the Maidan coup in late 2013, in which the United States and NATO forces were intimately involved, to make it look like the government of Ukraine shot on its own people, which they did not. It was Western NATO forces overturning the elected president there because he was too close to Russia and they wanted to isolate Russia. Why? Partially because Russia dropped its long term investments in bonds, starting in 2009, as the American Recovery Act blew up the money supply even more under Obama and something that is also tied to, as you mentioned, france At that time.
Speaker 4:The you know you recently reunited Germany asked for their gold back and the Federal Reserve said oh, we can't give it to you. It took them years to finally admit like well, yeah, maybe we'll give it to you in dribs and drabs. So we can see very clearly what has been going on with the people who are telling us they're fighting for freedom or that they love Jewish people, right? Because their type of mindset? Lindsey Graham will not tell you that he was shaking hands and putting his arm around a Nazi from the Slovada Party. So we can look it up. His name is Chiani Bach, with a TY, chiani Bach, and he's in multiple photographs with Joe Biden as well, and Amy Klobuchar. They all met together. They were all there.
Speaker 4:They were all in photographs on stage with that guy. They all knew they had these justifications.
Speaker 3:I'm guessing in their own minds or what's left of their soul. They compromised so many times. They don't even exist anymore.
Speaker 4:But remember if you criticize them, you are by proxy criticizing Israel, the state of Israel and therefore your anti-Semitic. These people who are meeting with neo-Nazis in Ukraine will tell you that.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, they used the most ridiculous arguments to shield themselves from criticism. And you mentioned earlier about well, you're not supporting the troops. Well, I was a troop. I would have loved it if we had an America to First foreign policy. You mentioned the Monroe Doctrine. That, to me, is my foreign policy. Don't colonize the hemisphere, stay out of our fares. You know, peace, commerce and honest friendship. I'm more with that Thomas Jefferson fellow. I think he knew what he was talking about. Or John Quincy Adams saying that America was not designed to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. I'm with John Quincy Adams. I'm not with Lindsey Graham. I'm not with the psychopaths. This leads to cataclysm.
Speaker 3:You talk about, you know a lot of times, garda. I read a lot of history and I'm fascinated by it. In some of the history you read like World War I. You had these statesmen that were very smart, spoke several languages, were skilled in diplomacy and realpolitik, all that stuff. They couldn't stop World War I. Even the Kaiser if you read about the Kaiser couldn't figure out. They had the Von Schlieffen plan. Once it was enacted, they started crossing in the borders of Belgium. He tried to turn it off. He couldn't even turn off his own war machine. These were smart people. You fast forward.
Speaker 3:Now We've got nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological AI, all of these terrible things. You have Lindsey Graham and Joe Biden, or you have Speaker of the House, you have Mike John, you have these brain dead and soulless really, in a lot of ways, just void of any humanity in charge of things. They're just blundering their way into cataclysm. It looks like this is one of these headlines, garda, that really and again we follow the line of Russia, iran dumping the dollar. Officially. This is the headline. The next headline is Senator Lindsey Graham calls for blowing Iran. Quote off the map. Folks, these things are related.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Again, kudos to the people at Antiwar. If I could just mention something that they bring up here In the first two paragraphs, they do a great job. They say Senator Lindsey Graham, republican of South Carolina, has called for the United States. I also think he represents Israel, ukraine and many other portions that are considered de facto states of the United States now. But we'll just continue. I don't know how you get representation in any political system. It's all forced on you. If you're a representative, what about the next guy? That's my anarchist argument there.
Speaker 4:Senator Lindsey Graham has called for the US to bomb Iran in response to hoodie attacks in the Red Sea. Not being hoodie and the blowfish although some of their music might be considered pretty offensive nonetheless saying Iranian bases and oil fields should be blown off the map. Oh yeah, that's going to be really good for the US economy. Just unbelievable, even if you want to look at it as that sort of a callous way to approach it. Peace, peace and trade. How about that? I haven't seen Iran engaging in the behavior that the United States is engaged in since Iran got its leadership back after they toppled the man who was put in in 1953 by the CIA. The hawkish senator claimed that without Iran there would be no hooties, but writes Dave DeKamp and hats off to you, dave. My bald head shows it, but the hooties, formerly known as Ansar Allah, are a homegrown movement of Zaydi Shia Muslims. Zaydi Shia Muslims ruled the area of North Yemen that the hooties now control for about a thousand years, until 1962. I wonder if Lindsay's going to mention anything about that.
Speaker 3:The arrogance of these people. They have no historical sense. You watch that documentary, the Fog of War. Mcnamara goes over to Vietnam, starts talking to his counterpart that was there throughout the Vietnam War. They said why did you continue to intervene? Didn't you know this was a civil war? Didn't you know that we weren't going to be under the Chinese column? We weren't going to fall in line? It wasn't monolithic. We've been fighting the Chinese for a thousand years.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's the same thing with Iraq. You have to see parts of it completely on purpose if you believe in the conspiracy theory of history, which I do, because that's where all the scholarship is. But if you look at Iraq, they really thought because I was part of the tail end of the invasion of Iraq they really thought you could hold that country with less than 50,000 troops. Are you serious? That's what Donald Rumsfeld thought and that's why they just they didn't even send in the armor. They didn't send in all the things that you would need, because they thought well, we'll be greeted as liberators, were they using some of the opium that they were increasing in its supply from?
Speaker 3:Afghanistan at the time. Hey, I had to protect I don't you know those, those poppy fields. I had to protect those in Afghanistan, don't you know guard. I never forget. No, I know, in 22 years old, bringing my team up over a hill, we were called out to these coordinates. They said you need to go over there, there's a. We need to get some pictures of this area and get it back to the base. I said, okay, so I go, and I go over this hill. It's this massive field of poppies and there's just armed people I don't know who they were with. This is like after the Taliban fell and there was just massive, massive fields of poppy in the middle of the desert. So it'd be like just barren mad max wasteland, yeah. And then you'd take a corner and then there's just you know, fields, forever as far as you can see, fields of green.
Speaker 3:Well, they're not green, but that's a little little orange to colored flowers, yeah, and that that is. That is a real thing, that's a. That's a that trade in Afghanistan that was revitalized after the, the U S invasion, because the Taliban and drugs and there was just a reporting I mentioned on the Liberty conspiracy show.
Speaker 4:There was just a report that mentions that and I showed that, that infamous interview, a couple times, james Bovard guest guesting when I was hosting David Knight show. The other day I got to play the, the, the video of of of uh, uh, geraldo on the ground in Afghanistan Clayton Morris, actually on Fox then 20 years ago, uh, introducing Geraldo via satellite. Geraldo speaking with um a Marine named a Christmas, brian Christmas, and they were handling the security for the fields. And the narrative that they gave was well, if we don't do this, the Taliban will take over. And you know, we have to allow these locals to do it, because if they don't do it, the Taliban will do it. The drug, the drug trade, will just skyrocket.
Speaker 4:On this, it's exactly what happened under the U? S there and then when, now that the Taliban is in, they've actually been destroying the fields and the. The percentage, the proportion of the world's uh poppies and opium that are coming from Afghanistan has now dropped such that Afghanistan is no longer the number one supplier of opium related products, but I think it's Myanmar. So, um, you know the narratives that they give people in the United States. It's almost as if, especially with, with modern technology, you know, modern communication technology, going back to really the creation of radio, in many ways, with the fireside chats and so on, it just facilitates propaganda so much. And I think there's.
Speaker 4:I don't know about you, tony, I wanted to ask you about this what do you think about the psychology of people who might not necessarily be first inclined to lie, but because they get on that political treadmill and they're constantly in that battle zone and they constantly have to present these narrative stories, um, they might fall into that trap. They might amplify something more than they need to to make it sound more alarming. There's always that tendency to try to. Well, I'll gain attention by being pithy or telling somebody that that something is a big emergency or something like that. And, uh, I don't know how one can get around that. But there are people who do seem to get around it.
Speaker 4:Thomas Massie does a terrific job. He's very honest. I don't know whether you do. You think it's just part of human psychology. Maybe it's a mixture of some of these people who were just corrupt and then the others sort of following in their footsteps and seeing the patterns and how they can get their bread buttered. Um, to me it's uh, and perhaps with this de-dondlerization happening, maybe we'll see more desperation. But after a while maybe people will start to realize that the United States activities around the world have been bankrupting us.
Speaker 3:Well, I think it's a series of small compromises these type of personalities make over their lifetimes until they don't know who they are anymore and like kind of looking at the. You know the story about Lindsey Graham and the people that have supported war. You know you start making justifications for it. I remember a story about Lyndon Johnson when he was running for Senate in 1948 and his whole political career was on the line. So I mean, he couldn't, he had to leave Congress to run for the Senate. So he had no lifeline back. And that was his. I mean, it was his last stand. He was running against a guy named Coke Stevens that should have won hands down. He was the former governor of Texas. A stalwart constitutionalist would have been a great senator.
Speaker 3:Well, lbj had the brown enroute money. You know he had a lot. He had a lot of a lot of outside money and they started just pouring it in and one of the things that he ended up having to read was he had to read a very right wing ad on air that was anti-union. It was very, it was very much antithetical to what his platform was, but he had, he had to get this endorsement and he just talked himself into it. He said if I don't read this and I don't do it enthusiastically, then I won't be a senator and I can't help the people that I say I'm going to help anyway. So he justified it that way and I think they just make these now. He's probably. He was probably as evil as he was. He was probably a little bit more cognizant than I even think these people are, which I think I don't know if they've even given that any sort of of thought at all guard. So I don't know. We might be, we might be giving them too much credit. You know if they're even self-aware.
Speaker 4:Well, I was just wondering if maybe they could, you know, package their, their, their phraseology and their narratives and their fables into small, bite-sized pieces that would be easy enough to digest from, say, tiktok. But then I realized that the more I watched TikTok, the more anti-Semitic and Nazi like I've become. Because Nikki Haley told me that and I love it, she says she's her statements. You probably saw Tony, and before the show everybody, tony and I were talking a little bit about how Nikki Haley was in New Hampshire, actually not too far from where there was a Union Civil War prisoner of war camp where guys were literally eating worms to survive. Okay, and she has to. She said not quite the right thing about the Civil War. It didn't fit the narrative of. It was about slavery. Don't talk about anything else. It was about slavery, which is completely off base, for anybody knows anything about the Civil War. It's. That's an absurd.
Speaker 3:Because she's been watching TikTok again.
Speaker 4:You got it, you see. So there you go, and anti-Semitism can now be opened up to all sorts of things. Now perhaps a little, even have a rainbow aspect of you can't be anti-Semitic because that means you're anti-LGBTQ, I don't know. But so she comes back and she apologizes and in her effusive, drippy crocodile tear, apology, tony, you know. She comes out and she says well, I meant it was about freedom, but of course I mean really, you got to understand part of that is it's slavery. It was about slavery. And I just thought.
Speaker 4:She goes on and says I want to stress that. You know, I am in and I'm paraphrasing. Now, this is a nation that we have to stress freedom of individual liberty. You know all the, all the pat lines that they hand us while they're picking our pockets and reducing our liberties and breaking the Bill of Rights. It's all about individual liberty and self rule. Like, oh, then I can rule myself. Well, not really. You know, it's about this experiment and self governance. So you're going to leave me alone? No, no, no, I'm going to govern you. I thought you just said self governance. No, no, no, forget about that stuff. So then she says, she says freedom of speech. This is a woman who, just two weeks ago, was saying she wants to ban TikTok.
Speaker 3:Oh, and she also wants you to register yes, any sort of use on the internet. So you have to. You have to show your face. You can't even go back to the founding fathers who wrote under pseudonyms yeah, even during that time, right?
Speaker 3:to the federal papers and other arguments to the foundation of the country. Yeah, was anonymous in so many ways. What about silence? Do good. What about Franklin? Can he not do that anymore? Do we have? We have to be identified by Nikki Haley. And you know it's interesting when revisionist history people can't get enough revision, so they have, so that the revisionist meets a super revisionist and then they don't know what to agree on and they're talking to a public who has no idea about any of these things. I mean, most of you've ever seen the man on the street which I'm sure you have got to just watch people. They don't really know. Most people don't know the history of the civil war, yeah, about the, the issues with, with trade or the economic powers of the north and industrialization or fourth turning there have no idea about any of these things. They just they got to throw out that platitude it's all about. You know it was. You should throw that Lincoln quote in there about what he said about the saving slavery in the union.
Speaker 4:Right, if you could say the union without freeing the slave, he would do it. Yes, he didn't care, he did not care, he did.
Speaker 3:If I could free all the slaves and save the union, I would. I could free half the slaves and save the union, I would. If I could free none of them and save the union, I would. That's what Lincoln said and, by the way, you know we're gonna have Don Jeffries on in the in the second hour and his book Hidden History starts out with Secretary of State Seward having a bell on his desk under Lincoln. For those for those of you who I'm talking about, the Secretary of State for Lincoln was Seward and he had a bell on his desk that he would ring to have someone arrested during the Civil War including the attempted arrest of Supreme Court justices, the attempted arrest of was it the legislative body of Maryland or Delaware?
Speaker 4:I was talking about this last night just because they were going to declare neutrality. You know, eviscerating habeas corpus, which is even even though I wish it went further and that Congress couldn't lift the writ of habeas corpus. Under the Constitution, congress can lift it. But Lincoln just decided well, I can do it too. It's just astounding, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 4:And George W Bush wanted to do the same thing, and the Congress at that time, with people like Lindsey Graham involved in the Senate and John McCain in the Senate. They wanted to grant the president sole, arbitrary executive power to lift the writ of habeas corpus so that he can indefinitely detain people, which they had been doing for years. And part of the problem that they had encountered was that some of the detainees in Guantanamo had some lawyers who said are you ever going to charge these guys? Because according to the Constitution, you can't do this. You either have to lift the writ of habeas corpus for everybody or you got to get these guys an opportunity to hear the evidence against them and be charged with a crime. You can't just kidnap people and hold them.
Speaker 4:Of course, indirectly they're. You know, they're threatening kidnap of all of us if we don't keep paying these fatuous criminals. So you know, I don't know how much different that is than a mafia, but maybe it's just as I mentioned on my show, maybe they just use more decorous language. Oh, the mob or amateurs? Yeah, I mean, yeah, they haven't understood, they got to use Edward Bernays's propaganda techniques.
Speaker 4:That's the key.
Speaker 3:This is. You know, the fight that I thought I really saw in 2002 and 2003 was the Patriot Act itself. Yeah, and this is me at 22 years old and I remember being as I was about to. I could just gotten back from Afghanistan. I was deploying to Iraq and I remember just going. What are they doing? We didn't need this to defeat Tojo's Japan or the Third Reich. What are they doing? What does that even mean? Like why do I need to give up so much of my freedom and my liberty so that the state can find people's quote unquote in caves? And I thought this isn't what this is about. And I knew that. I just instinctively knew that at a young age and I just watched this country headlong dive into authoritarianism and we saw that just spill over into COVID 1984. This is what that was. I mean, they just were able to put this flip, that switch, and it's terrifying, you know we still have some remnants of the Constitution, some remnants of the Bill of Rights.
Speaker 3:Those are hanging around. It's more like a shadow of a shadow that we still have that, but we are again. This is they use the crises, they use a never let a good opportunity go to waste. And then you start thinking well, you had this all written up and we're going to talk about this in the third hour a little bit. There's a there's an article up I saw a couple of days ago about how Gen Zers are. They have a lot of admiration for Osama bin Laden because he wrote, they read his letter and they're just kind of now stumbling upon US foreign policy blowback. We're going to talk a little bit.
Speaker 3:I've got a great panel in the third hour to go over just the history of how we got to 9 11. And then you know what? What is Osama bin Laden's role? What is it now that they're rolling out for kids? This is, you know you talk about and this is ticked. This is a tick talk phenomenon where they're reading Osama bin Laden's letter. There's so much there. They use these bogeymen, they use the, they use these strawmen, that they that are, that work for them. By the way, you know you have that famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Have you ever seen that video? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah, and you know, you know, Tony, you bring up a couple things. You know, watching people like Aaron Maté and Max Blumenthal and others Jimmy Doar has been doing a really good job. You know one of the points that sort of ties into this. If you're talking about the number of Gen Zers who say, wow, you know, I was unaware of what bin Laden had said that ties into this canard that they give us of this self governance thing, the idea that the government that rules over us and forces us to pay for it is somehow us and, as I've mentioned on my show a number of times, one of the most striking statements from anybody, that that confirmed so many of the things that I and pro peace people have been mentioning. Ron Paul would probably discuss this as well, using the term blowback was the Times Square bomber. When they asked him how he pled, he said guilty, guilty, 100 times guilty. And if the United States government continues to do what is what it is doing in the Middle East, more American civilians will die, which sort of ties into the blowback idea. And then that can be translated into what these politicians, people like Stefanek who called up the heads of MIT and you, pen and Harvard, and they, you know they try to inflate what could be a minor problem. A problem on campuses may be growing, maybe inflamed intentionally, we don't know, but I'm not hearing a lot of young people calling for the extermination of Jews.
Speaker 4:I'm hearing for I'm hearing calls for a ceasefire, as two Palestinian women did outside of the Capitol building in front of Senator Federman and he had the gall, this power imbalance just manifestly showing itself. He pulls an Israeli flag out and waves it in front of these people, whom he is forcing to pay taxes in order to turn them into weapons that will be supplied to Israel to possibly blow their relatives to pieces. That's what he doesn't seem to grasp. And then they say well, you can't criticize the state of Israel, because criticizing the state of Israel is criticism of the people of Israel and that's anti-Semitic. So what they're telling us really is if they're saying that, then that actually buys into the rationale that Hamas can kill civilians. It buys into the same rationale that the Times Square bomber said If we cannot criticize the policies of a political entity, and therefore that is criticism of the people on the ground who might have no control over that political entity and might be, you know, a portion of them probably disagree, but they're not so-called represented, then they themselves are tying them all in.
Speaker 4:As I mentioned on my show last night, Benjamin Netanyahu, as you know, more than once said that it was better for Israel to keep Hamas in power because they would be an oppositional force and they wouldn't negotiate. Therefore they could use military force to keep pushing in to Gaza. Right, that was his plan. The United States supported him and Israel supported him. So what he actually did? He actually knowingly supported a group of people that he knew would put the people under him at greater risk of death, kidnapping and all the things that they've been talking about since October 7th.
Speaker 3:He knew that. He knew that he supported them. Well, they need kinetic conflict to initiate the changes that they wanna implement.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, and it's something.
Speaker 3:Kennedy said those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Right, so you're totally. There is a school of thought about blowback. This is very much the Buchanan foreign policy. He predicted a cataclysmic terror event on US soil in his book A Republic, not an Empire, 1999. I happen to agree with that, but I also think, if you wanna go a little bit deeper, I think that those in power know that. I think they help recruit the people that are gonna carry out the terror. They help them, they funnel it so it can have the maximum.
Speaker 3:It's kinda like the FDR making sure that all the ships were lined up in a certain way that the commanders at Pearl Harbor didn't have the proper intelligence and weren't briefed on what was actually happening. They cracked the Japanese code called purple Months in advance. We already knew that and let those people just twist in the wind. Not that they again. The Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor, but we didn't have to let them do that and that's that it was for the effect. So I think that's probably a modern. This is something the project for the new American Century said in September of 2000 that we needed a new Pearl Harbor to initiate the again, not just the project for new American Century, but that what John McCain would call Rogue State Rollback, which is really just the class project of the military industrial complex and the neocons.
Speaker 4:So true, and I think in high school, when you hear things about well, roosevelt, he embarked on an embargo of Japan because of the Sino-Japanese War, which was a terrible conflict, and so on and so forth. And I think a lot of times those terms it's you mentioned 1984, covid-1984, right, and it is very much like the Ministry of Truth, it's these terms become very soft. People get normalcy biased, they become accustomed to these things and people don't question well, how is an embargo enforced? Oh, that's right, with military power it's actually like it is an act of war. As I mentioned often, rhode Island was not gonna participate in the Constitution, in agreeing to the Constitution, and the other states threatened an embargo on Rhode Island to get them to vote. So that was to get the Constitution, which was a much more centralizing document than Alexander Hamilton loved to get that, to usurp the Articles of Confederation, to get that central taxing authority, to supply money for a central bank, to get the borrowing authority. And we were off to the races from Alexander Hamilton to Henry Clay, to Abraham Lincoln, right on through to Teddy Roosevelt, running through to Hoover, fdr, all the way through to Johnson, nixon, clinton, carter, all the rest, you know, ford, it's just been a series of dominoes ever since then, represented by people who just want political power, and they know the magic sauce that they can use, which is central bank currency and that embargo thing.
Speaker 4:Look at what they're doing now. We seized a Russian oligarchs yacht, like oh, did you give them trial? Did you give them due process? Cause? I think there's this thing called the Bill of Rights, I don't remember it's, you know, I think it's number eight no, cruel and unusual punishment. How can you punish somebody if he hasn't been put on trial? What crime did he commit? It's absurd. They're going after guys from Hungary or Turkey because they're doing business with Russians. Oh yeah, we're gonna shut down your bank accounts.
Speaker 3:You've had too much to think. You've had too, much to think.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I'm really looking forward to my CBDC now. Ah, you criticized Nikki Haley there.
Speaker 3:Huh buddy, it was kind of like I was looking at the headlines on Drudge, so I know what the central intelligence agency wants me to talk about, or at least the narrative. Thanks, thanks for making that easy. They've curated, they've curated Operation Mockingbird for me every morning and I go and take a look at that. But it is funny, cause I looked at the headlines and you know they're taking Trump off balance and I thought isn't it interesting that the people that scream most about our democracy, our democracy, it's killing our democracy. They don't want democracy, which is funny.
Speaker 3:They don't like ballot access. They want people off-ballots. They don't want any sort of checks and balances on who can vote. So that kind of cancels out democracy, doesn't it? But it's the same people who also say well, if we can just save one child, oh yeah, you know, if it's for the children. And then those people are for abortion on demand oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, or like Francis Collins. I just showed video of Francis Collins last night that was out there on Twitter Again. You know, god bless people who are putting that information out there. You know Francis Collins in a meeting with these sick of fans just sitting there and he says well, you know, when you're involved with public health, nobody questions the term public health, they just accept it. It's like what do you mean? The health of what? What is that? Could you break that down into the subunits of what you're talking about? You mean people, individual people. Oh, that's right. You were completely willing to sacrifice the rights of individual people for this gestalt amorphous term that you call public health, which you constantly were modifying and lying about over and over. Meanwhile, you gave outs to the pharma companies that completely manipulated their data sets and you put this stuff out and now we can't sue. Well, thanks for being in power there, pal. It's just disgusting. It is the well, I was just following orders thing.
Speaker 4:You know, it's like I was talking about Douglas Murray, the British commentator, and I was amazed, I was surprised. I have never I don't think I've ever agreed with Sank Unger or Uggur in my life from the young Turks, and I was showing and I replayed it on David's show. I was showing this interview on that show Uncensored with Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan really kind of on balance being a little easier and, you know, not like the guy's going to be very tough at all but being a little easier on Douglas Murray. And Douglas Murray just throwing out insult after insult after insult, not addressing actual, real information about numbers of deaths, quotes from people who had been Israeli hostages or the parents of Israeli hostages, and things like that, not just to bring it back to that conflict, but it is so inflamed and they're using it as leverage in such a strong way to try to target Syria and to try to target Iran.
Speaker 4:Right now, as you and I speak, these guys are meeting in Washington DC in those marble halls that have all been paid for by taxpayers who could have spent their money on other things that they might have preferred. Now they're trying to figure out new ways to spend our money on more weapons to kill more people around the world. And Lindsey Graham wants to target Iran, nikki Haley wants to target Iran. I think one of the few people out there who's actually maybe more in line with not doing so would be Vivek, and I'm not gonna vote for anybody. I really could care less, and I don't know about that man's background, but at least some of his statements kind of bring up some echoes and they're sort of soft echoes, of sort of the mindset of what Pat might have said or what Ron Paul might have told people. Like maybe you want to look at this twice.
Speaker 3:This isn't a good idea, you have to remember too, garth, that like the Senate itself and the building there, these are sacred places. You know this is the sacred soil of our democracy. Garth, we're reverent and, matter of fact, you had some Senate staffer recently make a video there. I don't know if you know about the video that was made.
Speaker 4:I was looking for it on TikTok, but I guess Nikki Haley got rid of it.
Speaker 3:Well, it's very sacred. I mean, this is just, it's an adult thing, but it's very sacred. This is the stuff that you know, the evil that comes out of. You ever seen that meme where it has Obi-Wan and Luke Skywalker and they're supposed to be I don't know what? I'm not a Star Wars aficionado, you probably know more. But they're looking over and they see it says it shows Washington DC, he's like. You'll never see more scum and villainy in a place where there's scum A more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Speaker 3:We must be cautious. What were they looking at? Was that Tatooine? What were they looking at?
Speaker 4:Yeah, they were on Tatooine in front of the spaceport. That's why you have Gargoltzman there you go.
Speaker 3:He's my Sherpa for pop culture.
Speaker 3:That's exactly what it is. Just stop thinking this is sacred, that these people this is like the Hollywood for ugly people. You know these politicians. I mean, your mailman is more important, it serves a greater function. Unfortunately, these people have lots of power. They have very little conscience and they have unlimited monopoly money from the Luciferian banksters. So we're in a fix there. But when you got more and more people, I think the popular consciousness shifting more and more towards decentralization, individual liberty this is happening Now.
Speaker 3:It's weird and it's mixed because we got all these psyops that trying to funnel people into dead ends politically. I know that it's very frustrating for us to watch because everybody's like I'm with team so-and-so and I stand with so-and-so. I'm like, okay, but you're captured in the fulcrum of the psychological operation at this time and I respect the fact that you have some values and you wanna fight for something and stand for something. But again we're almost there. We're getting there. You talked about Federman, which I think he is, and this is just me. I think he is literally a humiliation ritual. I think like he was put there to make you feel like the country's stupid and we can't I mean the people of Pennsylvania. This is the best they can do. This guy is, I mean, wearing a hoodie and shorts into the Senate, which is, by the way, it's a sacred place. We don't wanna do that, but Exactly.
Speaker 4:Doesn't he know he's supposed to walk in naked? What's wrong with him?
Speaker 3:Just he could phone it in from wherever just to have a screen representation of himself. He you talking about him with the Israeli flag, right, yeah, that I think that attitude and the politics of yesterday. I think we're in steep decline. You're talking about foreign lobbies and what? People looking at their pocket books. James Carvel, who every once in a while was in the news and he was famous for saying it was the economy stupid in 1992. Yeah Well, this is gonna be so many things that hit people in their pocket books. I mean, it's a hearth and home stability crime, all the things that are happening. But when you see a culture decay and has been set for it's a controlled demolition, like our culture guard, I think a lot of these politics of yesterday are just gonna get thrown away by the wayside. I think people will stop playing by those rules in the sense that you know. I think you talk about Israel and the Israeli lobby. They have a powerful lobby, but Apex not what it was 20 years ago.
Speaker 4:No, no, absolutely and especially, I think, you know, regardless of what percentage of the college, gen Zers or under them might be actually, you know, really calling for extermination. I think that's very small. And of course now if you even call for a ceasefire, then people like Douglas Murray are equating that to that. You're calling for the extermination of the Jews, which is just astounding, just amazing. But I think a lot of those people on the college campuses it's a sort of nascent and it might not grow anymore, but it is a nascent anti-war movement and it seems to be fostered by recognizing what's been going on with Israel and Gaza. And contrary, amazingly, contrary to what George Orwell pointed out is the general tendency of the vast majority of the public, which is to forget things from minute to minute. Remember those chocolate rations there, Winston Smith? Yeah, you're one of the only ones who remembers that the chocolate rations were decreased just two weeks ago. Now they're claiming they're going up. Well, they're not going up relative to where they were before two weeks ago. But you're in the Ministry of Truths or you're one of the few who sees how they're manipulating information, and I mean that's the opening of the book. You know he's like wait a minute. I just heard what are they talking about on the radio? We don't have as much chocolate as we did, you know, sort of like the employment numbers that they come out with every month and then they revised them downwards two weeks later, you know, or inflation is down, no, no, no, it's still going up. It's just the rate of inflation has gone from 3.5% to 3.2% or something like that. It's ridiculous and it's compounded year to year. It's a functional equation and so it's just amazing. I think some of these younger people they're starting to look into some of the background there For some reason. I don't know whether that will expand or bleed over into other things in recognizing the source, the money source, the borrowing source, but they seem to be very connected to recognizing at least the military industrial complex.
Speaker 4:Unfortunately, I think that also has been leveraged by many neo-Marxists in the United States throughout the 20th century to get anti-war people to then attack the very concept of capitalism which in the United States really has not been real capitalism. It's mercantilism, it's a form of fascism, government favors, government, corporate status, that sort of stuff and handouts and things like that. So when they look at the banking industry, I think many of them see it through glasses that are a little bit clouded, where they don't recognize that if you actually had free trade without the political system that everybody tries to game, then you wouldn't see this sort of situation with corporations taking advantage of people trying to do rent seeking on people. So many people become very anti-free market when they think that the United States is a free market and they equate the military industrial complex as supporting the capitalist system and oh, we've got to bring it down. So a certain percentage of those people are going to tie in with the Marxists. They think they're going to do the right thing with the anti-fascist movement, anti-fa, when that was, of course, started installing Soviet Union to try to infiltrate Germany and turn it from a national socialist system to a world socialist Marxist system. Try to convince people to do that.
Speaker 4:So there are a lot of pitfalls along the way. But right now I think people like Lindsey Graham and so on they're shaking in their boots and they're trying to do anything they possibly can to generate a hot conflict with Iran and get people's minds off of what the Israelis have been doing in the Middle East, and I think that if they can expand this war to make it even more dangerous for American civilians, make more of their friends and neighbors who are in the military, put them more at risk, then that I think they think that that will lend credence to their arguments that we've got to wipe out all these people and do this, and it's not just for the safety of Israel anymore, it's for all of our safety. That's where I think they're going. I agree with you.
Speaker 3:It's a great synopsis and breakdown.
Speaker 4:by the way, my friend oh thanks, we got it from Nikki Haley.
Speaker 3:Go, start, start the apologizing now. Guard for your. You didn't revise your history. The revision wasn't revisionist enough. Let me bring in my friend Don Jeffries. Don, welcome back to the David night show.
Speaker 5:Hey, how's it going, guys?
Speaker 3:Hey I know, I know that you know, guard, oh yeah.
Speaker 4:I certainly do and Don, I hope you got my email. I didn't get to see it until much later.
Speaker 5:No, no problem, no problem.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's great to see you and what a great writer. And, by the way, tony, before I, before I head out, don, I just want to let you know I have given your books to my sister, valerie, and she, literally she, texted me yesterday. It's like wow, so Well done.
Speaker 5:Well, thank you, I really appreciate that guard.
Speaker 4:Well, she was just saying wow, these are really terrible now.
Speaker 5:I'll take a while, I guess.
Speaker 4:Now she really likes it, thanks.
Speaker 5:Great, thank you.
Speaker 4:You got it, tony. I'll leave you guys. Leave you guys to it and maybe I'll see you towards the end of the show. Thanks for having me for the first hour and I'll be listening. I appreciate it very much and hats off to David night in the family. And, by the way, I salute you with my David night pen, available at the David night show store. We didn't even plug. I know we did a whole hour.
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Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd love to thank Tony. Great stuff. You guys are angels in my eyes. I really appreciate all the stuff you do, just like David's family to appreciate it. I appreciate you, guard, thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you guys, and well see you.
Speaker 3:Well, mr Jeffries, I'm supposed to host yesterday folks. I just got a little run down from holiday travels and just being on the road and Wasn't able to get it done. Don graciously just accepted to come back, supposed to be on yesterday but, don, I was traveling. You had sent me a Copy of your, of your newest book. I want to talk about that. I'm because I'm fast, there's a To set it up and I hope I'm doing it justice.
Speaker 3:There's a scene in Oliver stones JFK and there is a figure played by John Candy and he's a. He's an attorney, he's talking to Jim Garrison who was the DA in New Orleans and there's they're just kind of opening up the involvement of and I believe we're talking about Clay Shaw, right, and the assassination of JFK and this, this character and I it's off top of my head and we'll get into the name but his he kind of plays a beatnik and he's kind of got that same beatnik language and there's a woman in red dress and he says, oh, I'll pop the bimbo in red. And that's where you get that. It's very, it's very unique language he was using and but the story is Fascinating because it's really the subplot to Oliver stones JFK and you were able to go and meet with that, that man's son, and to form a relationship and, yeah, I mean you know, in real life, and then just delve into that, that whole, which this is what dawn does.
Speaker 3:If you haven't read his books hidden history, crimes and cover-ups in American politics 1776 1963, survival of the richest I mean, yeah, we got many, many books that I, that I love and you have, on borrowed fame We've talked about on this show, but this is the newest one. I wanted to talk to you about it. I haven't had a chance to read all of it yet, but I am fascinated by it because it does tie together a when association of you know clay Shaw, who went by the alias quick clay bircher, right, and he was, yeah, the international trade and intelligence Connections, operation Mongoose, all that was going on in that area. So tell me about what. What got you to write the book and and what it? What's the, what's the theme?
Speaker 5:Well, this one was co, -written, by the way, with William Madsen Mom, I, my friend, and he saw an under recognized JFK Researcher. He's written several books himself. He's a specialist on the autopsy evidence. I don't think anybody knows more about it than he does, so tip of the hat to him. But it was inspired by my friendship, actually my brother. My brother was best friends with Dean Andrews.
Speaker 5:The third, and this is the son of Dean Andrews Jr, who you described, was the beatnik lawyer and he ended up being one of the crew and crucial witnesses in the Jim Garrison case. Because Dean Andrews Jr, the beatnik lawyer, played by John Candy on the late in the afternoon, early evening of the assassination he was in the hospital and he received a phone call from Clay Bertrand and he would later tell investigators about it and naturally they ran. He was told by Bertrand he wanted, they wanted him to represent Lee Harvey Oswald. Now he had done who admitted, killed. Yet he had done work for Oswald and very small capacity for trying to get his dishonorable discharge Changed, the military and work about us on his wife who had come from Russia, her immigration status. So I think he became embroiled in that and again I explained in the plot, but I think this is all about New Orleans. But and then he read he. That phone call changed his life and changed young Dean's life as well, and he part of the book is he Dean goes on the record for the first time and he'd been a family friend for years.
Speaker 5:I became close friends with him through my brother. We had him over the house many times for family get-togethers and so forth and he was fascinating to me and I was fascinated him because he had never met, you know, one of the researchers that knew all this stuff about it. I knew more about his dad related to the fascination than he did. So we were mutually fascinated with each other and this is the first time you really want on the record, william and Interviewed him. We have the the transcript to the interview there and he taught a lot of background stuff which is a Very fascinating.
Speaker 5:Touches on the camps the anti-castro camps which he visited with his father and and his father's reaction and how behind the scenes is, despite the fact he turned on Garrison to save his own neck and, you know, committed perjury and Did everything you could to stop Garrison because he saw all the other people being died. He said I don't want to be crushed, I like to breathe, I don't want to be crushed like a bug. And but behind the scenes, as we show in the book, he was extremely paranoid and he thought they were out to get him for the rest of his life. He was very, he knew there was a huge conspiracy. So this book we wanted to concentrate on the New Orleans aspect of it because of Dean's connection, but it's important because I call what I write about in the book. What we write about in the book is the ground level plot, the ground level conspirators. These are the people. This is where Lee Harvey Oswald was framed. He was framed in New Orleans. This is where he was set up. He was manipulated into this group.
Speaker 5:I believe, like Jim Garrison did, that at the time of the assassination he was an undercover agent for the FBI, cia, office of Naval Intelligence. We don't know. He had connections, apparently, with all these things, but somebody Instructed him, assigned him to infiltrate a plot to kill the president with these characters and I believe that's why, almost alone among the researchers, I completely discount the Cuban connection assassination. I think it's a complete smoke screen. It's akin to what when you hear of the back Rama Swami and other people in Trump, and when they talk about the Saudi Arabian connection 9-11, it's kind of a level, it's a smoke screen and it's to divert attention away. But the Cuba had nothing to do with the assassination. I don't believe, because I think, if the proof is what happened after the assassination, which is nothing, cuba died as an American political issue. There wasn't a second Bay of Pigs. Nobody tried to assassinate Castro, lbj and Nixon or anyone else. Castro outlived them all, but critics continued to act as if this is significant.
Speaker 5:But these figures were undoubtedly there and we talked about them in the book Carlos spring gear, who's still alive, and so many others Aladio del Valle, who ended up with a hatchet in his head the same day. David Ferry was probably murdered. Who was Clay? Who's Garrison's name witness, really. But I think these figures again were they I go beyond Garrison. I think they may have all, because they all had connections to intelligence, to. They may have all been working Against each other. They may I'm the notes they may have all been told the same thing hey, infiltrate this plot. And I personally think that's probably what happened, because they all acted like that and and at any rate Oswald got sucked in there. He was set up to be the Patsy and I think, dean Andrews Jr, the lawyer we talked about. I think he was manipulated as well. It may be very well have been why Oswald was sent to him, you know, for these legal matters and why he's. You know Andrew specialized during that summer of 1963 and somebody when he called the gay Caballeros. You know a lot of these anti-castra Cubans who. Why there were so many gays connected to this case, I don't know, but there Questionably was and for what? I people can speculate on that all they want, but especially for 1963, there are an awful lot of gay connections here, what for whatever it means.
Speaker 5:But so in this book we I Went through Harold Weisberg's Oswald New Orleans, who it's a underappreciated book was written. Jim Garrison got a lot of his research on that we I was able to track down for the first time. We we talked to the family of Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend in high school, which is Ed Vogel, and he I'd always thought he had been killed because he died very mysteriously in his early 30s at the Alvin Oksner clinic. And Alvin Oksner was another guy who had connections not only to Clay Shaw, and we talked about that in the book. But he had connections to a lot of third world dictators, a lot of the CIA obviously CIA connections. They would go to his clinic to get treatment and Ed Vogel, oswald's best friend in high school, went there and died very mysteriously. And I was able to become friends with the sisters who went on the record for the first time.
Speaker 5:I won't put any spoilers out there about their picture in the book and you know we have lots, lots of interesting Things you know. So people will see the background here and this is again. These are. I Don't want anyone to think these are not the real conspirators other than clay Shaw.
Speaker 5:I think clay Shaw and we go into his background, it goes all the way back to operation paperclip in World War two. He had connections everywhere, into everything permanent decks which you know may well have been in an international assassination Bureau. If you saw the film the parallax view with Warren Beatty in the 70s, that was kind of based on permanent permanent decks. You have people like there and one of Hitler's Old age was involved with permanent acts. So was the former president of Hungary. You know lots of what's very powerful people that that Clay Shaw was involved with.
Speaker 5:He was no mirror. They tried to paint him as a kindly philanthropist and he was hardly. That's this. This is the. I think the people will see the what these are all people being manipulated. Jack Ruby, david fairy, all these people, the varying degrees. I think they were pawns, themselves patsies to some degree To set up the real patsy, and they were on, probably not even unwittingly doing it. But I think clay Shaw was probably the conduit. He was probably the connection between that ground level plot and the people above him who were the real players, the people in the Pentagon and the CIA or wherever this plot came from. But it came from Far above any anti-castro Cubans or rogue CIA agencies, as they like to say. There's nothing rogue about this. This was, this was done at the top levels of the power structure.
Speaker 3:When you say the Cuban connection, you're referring to the researchers Implicating the anti-castro. Yeah, is that what you're doing, so that if you'll watch the movie JFK, you know they have operation mongoose? Of course Kennedy didn't send air cover during the Bay of Pigs. Then of course, you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, where Kennedy trades the Jupiter missiles in Turkey. You know there's that back channel communicate with cruise ship and all that Was there that upset the central intelligence agency and the hardliners. You're right, though it is interesting, if that is the case, why, you know Kennedy was assassinated and why didn't we do? It was free, it was a free for all. After that. I mean, you, you could have had a very hard line anti Castro. You know, president in LBJ. I'm sure he could be swayed easily, but that didn't happen. Oh, what do you think? Why is it that that so many of these figures Were in the anti-castro Orbit though, like with operation mongoose and all that that was happening, all the stuff that was happening in New Orleans? What do you think that was?
Speaker 5:Well, yeah, I think it was all part of the. I mean, I don't know how far in advance this, this plot, was. What we do know that Jager Hoover was asking about Lee Harvey Oswald in 1960. There's a memo out there that he said you know, we're concerned that Oswald is being impersonated. Of course, in this book we talk about how he was not only impersonated in Dallas and people were people familiar with that the gun range and drive in the car and lots of people who saw someone who claimed to be Oswald but clearly wasn't, because he was documented to be in somewhere else at the time work and places like that but he was being impersonated in New Orleans as well. And we go through that how we? We have a Transcript of an interview with Ann Dishler, who we am law my co-author became friends with. She's deceased now but she worked for Jim Garrison for a while and she talks about. One of the things she was investigating was all these Oswald sightings in New Orleans, which a lot of them are unknown to people, and then one time in a bar he made a big production of throwing up on the bar and getting real drunk or somebody claiming to be Oswald he was, so he's attracting attention and throwing that Oswald name out there why they tied it into Cuba Again.
Speaker 5:I think it's just a smoke screen to try to say that you know this is what? Because Kennedy Clearly was going for a reproach note with a Castro at the time of his death. He didn't want to. They continue and the lie there's so many layers to this, tony, where the lies continue to be pushed that that the Kennedy brothers were behind the attempts on Castro and there's a whole subsection of people out there say, well, yeah, rfk, you know he, he felt so terrible at the assassination because what he'd been doing came back and blew up in his face. You know, he was up he was, I rate, when he found out what they mean, especially because he had been the only Administrator, the only administration ever to target the mafia. When he found out the CIA had been using the mafia in this, he was really, you know, apoplectic and he was very bitter. His later Jack Anderson would drop a column about it. When RFK was running for president, he didn't try to stop him and he was incensed. He told his age. You know this is ridiculous. I tried to stop it, we would have done it. So what they were doing and their comical attempts to kill Castro, I mean I have to think to see I could have killed them if they really wanted to. But I mean putting you know, but the poison in his beard or something and his toothpaste, I mean just really get smart type of stuff. I think that if it even happened, you know it's gonna all be missed. We don't know, but we do know that that.
Speaker 5:What happened afterwards? If you look at the motivation for something, a crime of this man, in the fact it's still covered up. What changed afterwards? For some people said he was killed because of civil rights. That didn't change at all. Civil rights legislation went through and then we had several other civil rights legislation since then. I clearly wasn't the motive. You know segregationist didn't have the power over the media to just so be covering it up. 60 years later, anticastro people again. If they wanted a second Bay of Pigs, they had to have considered the assassination a miserable failure Because they got nothing. As I said, cuba died as a campaign issue. So but what did change?
Speaker 5:Vietnam certainly changed and he's I think that's always can be looked at as one of the primary motivators because, JFK before the assassination had the month before put out this national security action memorandum 263 which started the process of withdrawal from Vietnam, and Oliver Stone does make a Lot of references this in the movie JFK. However, the day of the assassination I mean the day before the assassination, but George Bundy, who was a national security advisor to Canada, you think like a Henry Kissinger to JFK, he wrote national security action memorandum 273. Of course JFK never saw it. If JFK had seen it he would have been fired on the spot. He wrote this again. He had. So if people want to know prior minds, I think the George Bundy had to be a conspirator in the White House. This logically because he wouldn't have written a memo like that which flip-flopped the Vietnam strategy and said no, you know, we have to help we, which is what JFK said, no, we. Just this is recently too. So I think those are one of those calling cards, a telltale sign.
Speaker 5:And so what happened after the assassination? Clearly, what JFK wanted and he was on the rail, troops out by 1965 and it's it's their war and all that stuff. And he told all his age this. But that changed dramatically because that's the assassination, the escalation began. So if you want to. That's one key Thing where you look at it. Okay, if they wanted to kill him and stop something that worked. If you want to look at his comments about the abolishing the CIA, when he talked about it actually Abolishing the CIA, imagine that now and shattering it to a thousand pieces to the wind. Yeah, just think about that. So obviously after the assassination that certainly changed because the CIA just got stronger. And the Federal Reserve? He was trying to reign in the Federal Reserve. A lot of people think he had issued the Silver certificates. That's kind of unclear. But regardless of Federal Reserve's power was intact. The mafia no one ever targeted the mafia again. Richard Dixon completely ignored the mafia and Israel.
Speaker 5:You know, at the time of the assassination, that's that's more relevant now today is that JFK was the first president to confront Israel the first, really only modern president and when he he was very incensed behind the scenes who were involved involved in heated exchanges of David Ben-Hurion the president is over them developing nuclear weapons. Obviously that changed because we saw in 1967 the USS Liberty was attacked by Israel and was covered up for decades and Lyndon Johnson was the one who led that cover-up. He was very pro-Israel. Obviously Nixon for everyone down to Jimmy Carter was a little more even-handed. But so these are all things that if you look at, okay, what changed with the JFK's death? All that did, but Cuba Didn't, in terms, didn't change the way they wanted to. In fact, they just left it alone and cast her again, as I said, outlive them all. So I just look at that, just, you know, I don't know exactly what happened, but I just think if you look at you look at it logically, that's the way things turned out.
Speaker 3:Well, that that is interesting. I go back to his American University speech, june 1963. If you, if you want to know why the D state murdered JFK, my opinion it's right there. It's one of the most beautiful cases ever made of Respecting human life and striving towards peace, and that peace isn't profitable, you know, that's it. There is, there is a, it's a higher calling, because it's antithetical to all the things that that drives so much of the corruption, and and that that speech is beautiful. You know, we all, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish children's future and we're all mortal.
Speaker 3:He's speaking about the, the Soviet Union. You know Reagan would later call them the evil Empire one time in the early 1980s. But even Reagan, you know, by the end of the 80s was walking arm in arm with Gorbachev and Red Square and invoking God and and prayer. So I mean it. You Can juxtapose that to the leadership we have now, don, and you and I talk about this every week, and it's so. This psychopathy is so. It's so. It's so insane that the lust for war, both parties, both major parties, just driving us towards war for different ends, different reasons, but the military industrial complex survives, and I think that really is Something that JFK was was reigning in, or at least rhetoric, and I think it was real that he believed in those things, that he believed in peace. He wanted to. I think he wanted to leave that, that sort of legacy, and he'd been, and you've written about this, but he, he'd been given his, his last rights what? Three times.
Speaker 3:By the time he was in his early 40s, you know he'd been on death's door. Of course you have PT 109 in the Pacific and his boat was. His boat was cut in half. Yeah, he dragged, you know it was one of his, is his crewman teeth, you know, in the water. Here's another example. Yesterday I bought two Old notes. One's a $20 bill. I read this earlier the $20 bill really gives it away, donna. It's in fine print. They don't put these on the new $20 bills, but it says that it's redeemable and lawful money.
Speaker 3:Yeah all right, which means that what it's supposed to be is a Certificate. This isn't money, it's a certificate so you can get money, which is they're talking about gold. Yeah, here's something really interesting. Okay, this is a 1963 $5 bill. Okay, the reason I bought that? They only made them like that one time. Yeah, okay, it's not a Federal Reserve note.
Speaker 3:There's no Federal Reserve stamp on this note and this came direct from the Treasury, and the reason it did is because it was issued by JFK. He wanted direct notes from the Treasury. So he was like you talked about the Federal Reserve and his executive order on silver, that those things are reasons to be suspicious of the financial sector being involved in his death. And it is the irony of ironies, the only two presidents to ever get notes direct from the Treasury and Lincoln's on this one, jfk, is the other. They both got shot in the head in public, as Jim Mars would reference all the time. So this is something, not that I even agree with greenbacks or anything, but I think taking the power away from the Federal Reserve, that is. There's an argument there.
Speaker 3:So, I agree with you on. I think that it's kind of a ruse to say that it was all about Cuba or something like that. I think he'd made a lot of those you know, alan Dulles, you know a lot of these the CIA and the Bay of Pigs failure and all that, just exposing that. I think that had something to do with it, but I don't think it was just these crazy Cuban connections. I agree with that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, I knew you referenced the American University speeches June in 1963. And I think he signed his death warrant with that. I think it's the greatest speech ever delivered by an American president and people would just read it and you've never heard any other politician talk about that. And he wanted what do I mean by peace? Not by peace in our time, but peace for all time. I mean he was raging against the concept of war itself and he was the first person, political figure, I'd ever seen, that demanded that we look at our enemies at that time it was the Soviets in human terms. He said you know, they love their children and cherish their future too, and we don't look at that. I mean, I've argued with people back in the day. When they're talking about Nazis and people like that, I said well, you know, these are human beings. They weren't human, you know, I was like. I said you know, do you think they didn't love their children and they can't see? They can't see the enemy in human terms and they especially when I'm talking about the leaders, but I'm talking about the average soldier that you know that are fighting for obviously greater forces. But JFK was you're right about the Bay of Pigs and he got off to the. I mean, people realized what, as Fletcher Proud used to say, you know so you can't tell you what. What relations went through the Pentagon over this. And I think Oliver Stone has that in his film with Donald Sutherland playing Mr X, who was based on Fletcher Proudy, who was with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and saw this from an inside view.
Speaker 5:But the idea that after the Bay of Pigs, which Kennedy was shocked by because he again he was a naive young president, had been planned in the Eisenhower administration with Richard Dixon as the political connection there as the vice president, total CI operation, and they assured him and we would see this later with Iraq and place like that is that all the Cuban, when we get there, they're gonna instantly, you know, they'll welcome us. I mean like we would lead her here with Iraq, they'll throw flowers at us. And it's exact same kind of philosophy. They said well, they see the Americans, you know it's coming in there. Well, man, they're gonna, the entire people, just they'll run from this Castro guy.
Speaker 5:So Kennedy was, you know he was, he had Cold War spirit in him, as his inaugural address would say. So at the time he thought, okay, well this. I guess he was naive, maybe he thought they knew what they were doing. But so they blamed him for not providing air tower. He never thought he'd have to do that and he said no, this. He looked and saw it was a disaster. I'm not gonna make it worse. So they never forgave him for that and he never forgave them and he fired Alan Dulles, who was the director of the CIA. Right after it he fired Richard Bissell, who was the second in command, and he fired General Charles Cabell, who was the third in command and whose brother, earl Cabell, was the mayor of Dallas in November of 1963.
Speaker 5:And later we found that one of the subsequent releases had been a long time CIA asset himself, to no one's surprise. But just imagine, as Pratt he said, the reverberations throughout the military industrial complex and the intelligence establishment. When he fired the top three people in the CIA, he clearly, even though he very, very adorably accepted blame. He said look, this is my fault, I'm the responsible officer of the executive branch. And I think he said something like you know, he said the thing is that victory as a thousand fathers and defeat as an orphan, and you know which? Jfk always had this great. No other president has ever come up with these great lines from history that people need to remember. But so when he fired them, that was and Dulles already hated and people can't, and I think Sigliannally trying to restore the reputation of old Joe Kennedy, who I think was a great American, one of the great figures of the 20th century.
Speaker 5:Behind the scene and he's been smeared relentlessly. But one of the things he did and I found this out from Robert F Kennedy Jr in his book American Values, where he talked about I had no idea that Joe Kennedy Sr had sat on a commission in the 1950s to study the CIA and he was the most vocal critic on that commission and he said at that time we've got to rein them in, we've got to take all their power away, except for strict foreign intelligence gathering, and Dulles was the director at that time. So you can imagine the antipathy Dulles felt already for the Kennedy family. So many people hated the old man anyhow. But I mean Joe Kennedy Sr had been one of the foremost anti-war activists of his time.
Speaker 5:He was not only, as RFK Jr is pointing out, he was an anti-war, a World War I anti-protester as a young guy and that's where he first clashed with Franklin Roosevelt At the two at the time was assistant secretary of the Navy in a typical Lindsey Graham type chicken hawk that was pushing everywhere he could while not going anywhere near any battlefield himself, and they actually clashed. Crimes and cover-ups I talked about in early clash they had, and so later he drew the ire of FDR and Winston Churchill and everyone else. I mean JFK's father had all the right enemies and he made a beautiful anti-war speech when he was at the America First Committee, as so many other great Americans were of that day before Pearl Harbor, when he said I would like the parents of the world to consider and just come up with one good reason for your child to go die in a war. And I thought that was that's just a. That really distills it down to what it is, and so I have great admiration for him. He came from good stock.
Speaker 5:You mentioned we talked about the notes, the Ornrd Federal Reserve notes. Again, behind the scenes, joe Kennedy senior was one of the earliest critics of the Federal Reserve. He knew all about that. I can't believe. When they were eating dinner and we've heard all the tales about the Kennedys how they discussed current events and all this stuff and they would come up with their socialist views that they were learning in school and the old man would counter them with capitalism and so forth. I can't believe they didn't discuss the Federal Reserve. So I'm pretty sure they were well steeped in that. And, by the side of the thing, is that why JFK did what he did with the Silver Certificates, which, as you pointed out, is what Lincoln did, and you know how I feel about Lincoln. But he did print the greenbacks and I've tried for years to verify the quote, that conspiracy people from a London newspaper, but it's never specific enough.
Speaker 5:There's no exact date, so I don't know if they said it or not, but it's something like if this terrible policy which has occurred is allowed to transpire, this will be the collapse of everything or something. But it's a very dire quote that basically says we have to assassinate them. But I don't know. Again, I want to source things and so I don't know if that really is a legitimate quote or some conspiracy guy made it up and everybody, because that happens sometimes. But there's no denial that what JFK was doing at the time of assassination is he had lots of people that were mad at him, lots of powerful figures, so that's why there's so many. This was an Agatha Christie murder mystery. There's so many legitimate suspects, but, as you know, I believe there's a group above it all, and Illuminati, whatever you want to call it and I think this is where the decision was made.
Speaker 3:I believe Well, I want to go back to the New Orleans connection, and then your, of course, your new book. I want to put it up on the screen too, don. Let's up here real quick. I go back to the phone call to Dean Andrews Jr on was it be November 22nd 1963? Yes, just after the assassination. Yeah, now you referenced earlier in the conversation that he had actually been an attorney for Oswald before to work on his honorable discharge and some of his military and his citizenship and Marine Oswald right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, he had done some little work and he, as he pointed out many times, oswald still owed him 25 bucks, so he was a little irate about that. But yeah, he had done some. And again, I just look at that skeptically because I think I don't think it's an accident that he because again he was connected to those same people in New Orleans, so I don't think it's any accident that they came into each other's orbit. For all I know, oswald, as part of his assignment, might have been told hey, go to this guy, he's one of our guys, you know he'll, you know just, and you know, have him say you want some help on the end or something.
Speaker 5:Because again, I think everything about Oswald was orchestrated. So the fact that he was able to at the heart, you know, the middle of the Cold War, that he was able to come back in without being even debriefed by the CIA or anything, at the height of the Cold War, that he did have a Russian bride, I think these things are all certainly suspicious and so I think at this point, everything, all his moves, made them orchestrated. So I think he was probably told go to this guy. What Dean Andrews Jr was told I don't know, but he was a. He had lots of interesting connections himself, so he may have just. Maybe he was doing something again for some intelligence agency as well. I think Dean III said that he thought he was an asset rather than agent or something, but he thought his father had some connection.
Speaker 3:So he's called the day of the assassination by Clay Shaw Clay Berger, which is so. Does he identify who this is who he's talking to early on? Does he make the connection?
Speaker 5:Well, he knows. He said Bertrand had sent him people before and again. Maybe this is part of the thing he's sending these people to Dean Andrews for a reason, but he started backtracking and if people can look at his Warren Commission testimony and we put it as an appendix we have several appendices in the book and one of them is Dean Andrews Warren Commission testimony. He said you have to read it Because I mean I've read these 26 volumes. Very few of us have. But they're mostly really boring and especially the testimony is really boring.
Speaker 5:For the most part Dean Andrews Jr. His testimony is the Beatles of the Warren Commission testimony. It's number one, there's no question. It's the most interesting. It'd be fascinating, but kind of the beatnik lingo. But in it he basically brings up one of the things I want to do is find out the real person who killed the president. You can see like the Warren Commission counsel saying what you don't think. It was Oswald, and I know good and well it wasn't Oswald. And then he talks about how he's the first one to bring up the Maggie's drawers thing, about that. Oswald got Maggie's drawers but he was shooting that he was that bad of a shot and he talked about Bertrand and so the other things. I want to find out who Bertrand is. And then later, when he started getting probably getting threats, but certainly when he started seeing people dying, other people dying, he started backtracking and he described Bertrand like Shaw, early on tall, but then later he claimed he was shorter and all this stuff. So he became ridiculous in terms of.
Speaker 5:We have a lot of his fluctuating testimony in the book. He was frankly became a ridiculous witness, but as long as he was willing to say something that discredited Garrison, nbc News later used him for their attack piece on Garrison, which was basically run by a guy named Walter Sheridan who had been an assistant to RFK in the justice department, and I don't know kind of a plant he was, but it certainly sounds like they may. We recently found out Mark Meadows, for instance, was a plant inside Trump's White House. He was an undercover informant working as the chief of staff of Trump. So this guy could have easily had been a plant back in 1960, in the early 1960s working for RFK justice department, because he became a reporter for NBC News just for that one story. As far as I know, walter Sheridan's investigative journalist career began and ended with Garrison's investigation. He was front and center there and he was tape recorded and I don't know why nothing happened to him trying to bribe a witness, Perry Raymond Russo, who was a taxi cab driver who later eventually, when they killed all his other witnesses, became one of Garrison's most important witnesses and he was ridiculed because he had some issues. He hated the candidates, by the way, but he basically recorded Sheridan saying hey, we'll move you out to California, we'll set you up and all I mean basically telling we'll set you up if you lie for us and if you say what we want you to say.
Speaker 5:So this was Dean Andrews Jr is caught in the midst of all this and you have to wonder what he was thinking, and so he was naturally terrified because he saw the other people dying. As he said, I like to breathe in his colorful language and we have some quotes from him in there. He's just interesting to hear, and his son, dean the Third, has a little of that too. Not quite, but you can see in his interview he's very colorful about describing things. He'll just kind of say things in a unique way and that's why I've always loved talking to him.
Speaker 5:But I think that Dean Andrews Jr was a pivotal figure here because without Garrison knowing, because Garrison knew Dean Andrews, as his son, dean Third, said, you know Garrison would call his house regularly to answer hello, young Dean. You know he'd answered the phone and he used to save at the New Orleans Athletic Club and so forth together. And so I think that when Garrison read his because he started reading at the behest of Russell Long you know he was the long son at the first one who told him, hey, not right about the Warren Commission, as he's played by Walter Mathal and Auburn Son's JFK very memorably. And once he started reading the testimony it would really jump down in him was Dean Andrews testimony, because he knew Dean, he was a friend of his and when he saw what he was saying, hey, I want to find out who the real guy that killed the president. I know it wasn't Iswell. And especially when he talked about that phone call, because again, garrison found out about this stuff. You know, years later he was initially interested briefly because of David Ferry who had been curious to figure into Orleans and he did question him early on he's assassination. But he kind of dropped it for a while and then it was that conversation with Russell Long and then, when he started reading the testimony, dean Andrews testimony, jumped right in. That's why you know the title of the book comes from that memorable lunch encounter, which I don't know that he actually said pipe, the Bimbo in red and young Dean said he never heard his father say that but he said so many things. It may have been just colorful language that Oliver Stone made up, but regardless, that lunch was about that where Dean is discovering hey, you know, with I mean Garrison is discovering, hey, you know what's up with this. You know what are you talking about here and you can see in that conversation, you know, I, you know that he's already scared and he's telling Jimbo, they can, you know, they can get you like squash you, like a bug and all that stuff. So he's really a figure that has not been examined, I don't think has scrutinized the way he should. I mean he's not, he wasn't. You know he was a real conspirator but he was summoning in that was used and manipulated like Oswald was or a lesser role.
Speaker 5:But and the book also, I think, shows what, what happens to people that are involved, as you see, what happens through Dean, the third, I, we had his mother, who's still alive, I think she's 95 years old and lives in New Orleans. Still. We had her over at our house for dinner years ago a couple, maybe 20 years ago or so and it's first time she had really agreed to talk about it to anyone and I think maybe I halfway convinced her cause you know her. Her basic philosophy was that he was, her husband, was crazy, he's nuts and he did kind of go crazy after this assassination. But from their perspective, you see, this is a very respectable family. With the guy was a Dean junior was the president of the New Orleans jazz festival. He knew a lot of the prominent people he was. They were celebrated in high, the high society of New Orleans, had a good life.
Speaker 5:Dean, the third was, was bound for the same career, he was in law school and all of this, all that was shattered. Dean just recently, a couple of months ago. A lot of you know we commiserated cause he my brother, was his best friend and I lost him. And he, his brother, his younger brother, was probably the biggest victim of his father being involved in this Cause. He just turned to drugs and after he just died a couple of months ago, but it was after a lifetime of struggling with drug addiction.
Speaker 5:So but all this, you know, if Dean hadn't gotten that phone call in the hospital, probably, as he said you know, I'd have a lot of money now. And he said he's, you know, I go over and see him and he's living in section eight housing. He's not doing well, he's confined to a wheelchair. I go, we go over and take him out to lunch at at the Chili's it's right next to over there and he thinks that's a big deal cause he doesn't get to go out other than that.
Speaker 5:But his life would have been way different. I think he, you know, he would have been an attorney, he would have been financially sad, he probably would have never met my brother, so I would have never known him. But it's it just. You know, it shows in microcosm and that's why his wife, I'm sure, resents it, because she it took something really good away from her. You know she was living in that orbit and and joined the good life and instead they became, you know, part of this, the JFK assassination quagmire and her husband became discredited and ridiculed by everyone. So it's a, it's a character study and what can happen from people that just are even associated with these events?
Speaker 3:And the New Norland's connection itself is so intriguing to me because that that centers around Garrison. It's almost like these tables are made to be investigated. It's all being done right there and then you got. You got intelligence and you got the FBI. There's that famous scene in JFK where Garrison you know Kevin Costner, he's looking at all the buildings like, well, there's where Oswald stayed, there's the apartment where Oswald stayed, and then there's, and then there's Guy Bannister's office right underneath that with the FBI, and across that is Owen I, it's the office of Naval Intelligence and then there's the CIA back in these. So he's like in November 1963 or it was. So.
Speaker 3:You know what's funny court historians are hilarious to me now, like they don't. It has to be on purpose, because you're not going to be invited to the cocktail parties. You're not going to be celebrated If you start making actual connections, dot. Yes, yes, it's so overwhelming Now. You've been doing this your entire life. You've been researching JFK, a lot of people that don't know like. If you read about Don folks, it's amazing. Like he was part of Mark Lane's investigation in the early 1970s. You actually went and saw the and got to hold the Monlake and Carcano rifle at the Smithsonian I mean at 19 years old, so Don's been doing this a long time. Like these are legit researcher historian.
Speaker 3:He wrote the book Hidden History. It's the reason I know him. I read his book and anyway, you look look at this and it's just so overwhelming. Like look at the intricacies of what we just discussed in the last 40 minutes about Dean Andrews, clay Shaw, clay Burtzen, jim Garrison. It's not for nothing, right, they weren't. Again, I wonder if they were surprised. Probably were, because these things are probably decompartmentalized in so many ways you really can't see who's doing what. I wonder if they were surprised it was Oswald and that's why they were like knee jerk, like get him an attorney so we can cause. That would be a way to contain spillover, like if you want to put somebody around him. That would stop any kind of like interrogation or there's something. So we're talking like on the. Have you ever been able to run a timeline on when he got that phone call? And like what?
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was again. I think again because of Dean's recollections, or Dean the juniors recollections were kind of hazy and we're also in the book. This is the first time Dean the third reveals suspicious things that were happening to his father in the hospital. This is again I don't wanna put a spoiler, but it's never been out there by any researcher and it's a reason to wonder exactly what was going on with him in the hospital. So he's a little hazy on it. But I think it was maybe around dinner time, something like that, that he received the call and of course, later what would happen is they would try to blame the drugs he was on and that he had imagined it, hallucinated it, and then he would later say, yeah, I guess I must, because again, he was saying whatever they wanted him to say at that point, because he was trying to stay alive.
Speaker 5:But you're right, most researchers don't question why he got that call, because on the surface of it it makes no sense. Because if you have a conspiracy and they're going to kill, they know they're gonna eliminate the suspect. And why are they worried about getting him an attorney? Because the subtext here is that I as well was asking for an attorney constantly. That's one thing he was saying in public. I do request someone to come forward and give me legal assistance. And once you have the American Bar Association, this is how big the cover up went, and I talked about this in Hidden History. They sent a representative to meet with him and supposedly told the representative, I'm fine. And every public chance he got he said I need a lawyer. So that had to be a lie. So the American Bar Association is involved in this ACLU. These people are involved in it because they're saying, ah, he really didn't want an lawyer, he just for some reason he's saying it publicly. But so if you're assuming that all these people except Shaw again Bertrand is the one who made the call, so I can only speculate but were the people at the top telling Shaw to do this, telling Bertrand to do this? Hey, let's get Dean Andrews over there, and maybe I don't think Shaw knew everything.
Speaker 5:Because then later we talk in the book about the very curious way Clay Shaw died long after his trial and you talk about when a neighbor saw an ambulance pull up to his house and take a body out and go inside the house. I mean that's you know what kind of these people play for real. That's what happened to Clay Shaw, so he wasn't around that long to question either. But so these we can really only speculate. But I agree, I mean the phone call doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but it obviously it happened for whatever reason.
Speaker 5:And it's the same thing with Oswald's arrest through the theater. There's so many questions about that. You have witnesses that saw an arrest, somebody being taken out of the back while he was going out of the front. So there's so many things, questions about who was in the theater and why. You know you had really big shots, high ranking police officials and federal agents that were at the scene of that theater to go after someone who supposedly snuck into a theater without paying for a ticket. At the time the president had just been assassinated and of course the person the clerk, the cashier said no, she didn't see anybody sneaking in with that cash, but it didn't matter. You know that's what he did. So lots about this to question and this is the minutia that you know has taken over my life for a long time when I talk about all these things.
Speaker 3:We don't have much time left, but I wanted to tell you a story about JFK assassination, just my own personal history with it. I had a good friend of mine. I ran for Congress in 2013, 2014 against the oldest living member of Congress to ever cast a vote. It was the last World War II veteran in Congress. I didn't think he was gonna run again, but he was my congressman from the time I was born, like he'd just gotten elected.
Speaker 3:His name was Ralph Hall and we became very, very good friends. I actually stood in for him and spoke for him and on his last campaign and I ran his Twitter. He liked having me around cause I knew all this history. You know it's like he's talking to somebody who all these players and different figures and I never asked him where he was on November 22nd 1963 until just shortly before he died and we just we had a lot of history conversations and I was sitting there with him and he was had a fire going and I said I said hey, sir, I never did ask you because he was state senator in the early 1960s, he was friends with Lyndon Johnson and that you know that story about Lyndon Johnson saying you know, get that last bit of names off that row in the cemetery, cause they deserve to vote too, he told Ralph to do that.
Speaker 3:I mean, that was Ralph told that story.
Speaker 6:I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3:Now you said don't people deserve to vote too? And so you know, I got a great picture of him and LBJ in the Oval Office and Ralph was a tall guy, he was a pilot in World War II, flew in the Pacific, and you know, he just got, he just stand, you know, eye to eye with LBJ. It's a great picture. I need to hang it up in my office. And yeah, I asked Ralph. I said where were you? And he said well, I was getting ready for dinner. He's like I was about to leave. We're headed to Austin and he was very good friends with John Connolly. They were headed to where JFK was supposed to go. He was actually on his way to Austin for a dinner that night. Did you ever piece that together? Where was he headed from Dallas?
Speaker 5:Who was headed? Oh yeah, he was supposed to make a speech at the trademark the Dallas trademark, which is ironic, cause Klai Shoff, of course, was the head of the international trademark in New Orleans. So I don't know if that's a strange coincidence. You know that's where he's supposed to speak.
Speaker 3:Well, I thought it was interesting. He was supposed to and then he was going to later. I think later it was dinner that night in Austin, I think with the governor, because he's with John Connolly, At least that's the way Ralph told it. So I just thought that was interesting, Like that he was invited to the dinner. That never was.
Speaker 3:And later, you know, ralph would. He collected all kinds of memorabilia and he was just you know, he owned banks and stuff. He was an old school guy but he was tied in very well and he would tell me stories about and Marina Oswald lived in the town I grew up in. She actually had a house in Rockwall, texas, and I want to say they had memorabilia it came down to, I think Ralph was going to buy the pistol that Jack Ruby used and he was going to buy that him and Mickey Mantle. That's what he's telling me. This story he's telling Mickey Mantle and anyway it was a great story. But his wife told him not to buy that pistol. She said we don't profit off other people's misery. So he had like these kind of swirling connections to the people in the JFK assassination, like John Connolly, and he would tell me stories about how, you know, every election cycle John Connolly put that brace back on his wrist to say you know, I was in the car with Kennedy. You know, and of course, so much there.
Speaker 3:The assassination of JFK and the people and the figures around it, this have still have massive reverberating effects in our history today. It's not a cold case, that doesn't matter folks. I mean it really is and you talk about in Hidden History. You call it the mother of all conspiracies In our modern era. I think you're right, don. I mean it is the nucleus?
Speaker 5:for sure it is. I mean there's so many people that are willing to can not believe me, I know from the JFK research community. That's why I'm not more welcome there, because I talk about all these other things and so many of them are willing to consider the FBI and the CIA and everybody covering up in this and witnesses being silenced, all that in these JFK assassination. But they don't take it any farther than that and they think it's an isolated happened in a vacuum. And obviously it didn't.
Speaker 5:And that's why, you know, although I spent some of the time as a teenager being, you know, obsessed, you know the JFK assassination this is always my wheelhouse issue. It led me down these other rabbit holes and so you know all the other issues that we talk about. But it all started with JFK and I think, for my generation, jfk assassination. I was a very little kid when it happened, but for my generation the JFK assassination was the seminal event, just as for later millennials or whatever the 9-11 was. But so that's it's kind of like that was our 9-11. But this was something that still I go back to and I think it's crucial to understand what happened because it has ties to everything else, as I pointed out, if JFK hadn't been assassinated, rfk never would have been.
Speaker 5:I don't think Chappaquiddick would happen, because I think that was Teddy's political assassination. And certainly the JFK junior playing crass, which I've written about critically, about, I think, was another Kennedy assassination that wouldn't have happened either. And the attacks on RFK junior. It wouldn't be what they are, I don't think If it hadn't been for this again, this history, which goes back to the old man, and that's why I keep talking about Joe Kennedy senior. He lost to his first son, joe Kennedy junior, who, there's some suspicions about that playing crash as well. And Joe Kennedy senior was hated by the establishment. So I don't think it's any surprise that his son, who got in the White House for whatever reason, people always ask him why do you think they let Kennedy in?
Speaker 5:I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe you have other people that think they wanted to create a martyr. They wanted all this. This is all orchestrated. I have no idea, but all you can do is look at what happens to the Kennedys. That's why I continue to defend them. People call me a Kennedy fan Boy, and I am, because they keep knocking them off. I mean, to me it unfortunately speaks well of people if they continue to get knocked off by these corrupt tyrants that run us.
Speaker 3:Well, it's a sad metric in American politics, but it's like well, did anybody try to kill you?
Speaker 5:It's like, are you?
Speaker 3:effective. Have you been assassinated?
Speaker 5:Yeah, all the people who told me that myself is like how come they haven't tried to kill you? So I mean they've the only way to be, I guess, legit is to be assassinated. Let's not hope for that, don. It's just not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd hate to think that's the case. Please don't invoke that. I think it's just a level of effectiveness. You talk about Joe Kennedy. It always made me really suspicious of the establishment. They called him an appeaser Because Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, wasn't he the ambassador to Great Britain under FDR and they were rivals and they had a.
Speaker 3:I think they had a very different viewpoint on geopolitics and foreign policy and of course this is America first. I mean the America first movement. Somebody needs to do, and you've done a lot and you're able to work too. But there's so much to unpack there about how it really represented the best of America and for decades and still is demonized by the establishment. And Joe Kennedy was one of those people that he was one of the guilty men. He was a Neville Chamberlain Peace in our time and all that. Well, neville Chamberlain was a good man too and there was some people that didn't want to have a worldwide cataclysm just because he talked about invoking parents. You talk about the America first speech asking the parents do you want your sons to be sacrificed on this altar the American people turned away from after World War I. We didn't want any part of the League of Nations.
Speaker 3:Because we lost 150,000 troops and then hundreds of thousands wounded for what? To make the world safe for Hitler installing it really wasn't a good bet. So I think history is not kind to those who again stand up to the expansion of government power or the expansion of the military industrial complex or the state itself. And Joe Kennedy, I think, is a victim of that.
Speaker 5:And also he's a bootlegger.
Speaker 3:He didn't make his money. That's what you have to be. You're a crime syndicate boss, right.
Speaker 5:I get so sick. I mean it's the litany of things he gets to. He's a bootlegger. He was involved with the mob, which is nonsense. The mob hated the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration. Kennedy stole Chicago with Meridale in 1960. I mean, these are all. If that happened, it was part of big city politics. That happened in every election. So, but again, it's always Kennedy who singled out you don't talk about landslide Lyndon, it were the Senate where he, as you pointed out, used the first brought out the dead vote. You know here are things like that and very other questionable electoral politics. But so it's. The Kennedys continue.
Speaker 5:I think they stand out pretty well historically and, as you mentioned, america first committee all. Charles Lindbergh was another prominent American that was part of that and it was mainly a liberal group. For the most part it was classical liberals who and I, in crimes and coverups I talked a lot about that People like John T Flynn, who, fdr was the first president to cancel somebody. He canceled that guy's career, he was a good liberal, wrote all the mainstream publications. Fdr sent out, you know, memos to all the big newspapers and magazines and say hey, don't hire this guy, he's an appeaser and ruined his career. And that was. I'll have more about that in the upcoming American Memory Hall about FDR. He was the first one to use the press which he had. You know, just like you look at Obama or Biden today has the mainstream meeting in their hand. They used the press of his day to go after his opponents. He used the IRS to get. It wasn't Nixon. Fdr used it much more explicitly.
Speaker 5:So, I mean, that's why I write about hidden history, because people just they don't know that everything they're being told is alive by the court historians.
Speaker 3:It really is. When you start unpacking it, folks, you get real historians like Don Jeffries. You go oh my, I can't believe this. I didn't see these connections Because it's never brought up. I mean, it's just a pain of picture. That's completely different, because the universities are funded by the same corporations that fund the media. So you don't get, and there's no reward for people that want an academic career, to go against the grain and say, well, that doesn't make sense. Let's look at some evidence here or let's look at the actual character of this.
Speaker 3:You know this last couple of weeks we had the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. I talked about it with David on his show here and we talked about, you know, foreknowledge that FDR had on Pearl Harbor. You know the Japanese code purple had been broken months before that. They knew that the Japanese were going to strike. They didn't know exactly what minute, I don't think, but they knew that it was coming. They were warned by congressmen, by people that had intercepted radio transmissions. So you know that's a. And then 1980, what was it? John Toland wrote a book called Infamy. Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:He was a court historian but he went and actually dug it up and got you know the foyers and everything else to show that there was ample evidence and foreknowledge, and he was demonized. You see, barbara Tuckman, who wrote the Guns of August, called Toland a Nazi.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because he's first of all that doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 3:But he was saying that he's a Nazi. Now you want to rewrite the good war, world War II. And I just say, folks, you know I'm not a professional historian, but we went to war supposedly, you know, in 1939, the West went to war against itself for Poland because Hitler invaded Poland. So you know, great Britain declared war on Germany. Well, at the end of the war we gave Poland to Stalin. So 50 million dead just to give it back to Stalin, that's what the.
Speaker 5:I mean that's what the end of the war.
Speaker 3:That's what it was. So, Don, I could talk history with you for hours and hours, and that would be a great show in and of itself, but I get to do that every Saturday on America.
Speaker 5:Unplugged. I'm a very, very fortunate man.
Speaker 3:The America Unplugged channel on Rockfin and Anywhere Podcast were found. Don, tell people where they can find you. And of course I want to say before that we're having a panel discussion on an article. I got Charlie Robinson, mr Anderson, gard Goldsmiths here. If you want to stick around, don, you know you're always welcome. If you got to go, that's fine too.
Speaker 5:That's fine. Yeah, I got to go because I got to go, but yeah, I appreciate it, please substack. Donaldjeffriessubstackcom is called. I protest, like my life stream. He says the only place I'm not shadow banned on. Pipe, the Bimbo and Red is a new book, masking the Truth is out there as well, the most shadow banned book in the world. So I appreciate everyone's support and I thank you, tony, for your support. Thank you, don Always always a pleasure, sir, appreciate it. Okay, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3:Thank you, all right, folks. Well, we're in the third hour and I've got a very esteemed panel. Let me start adding their streams one at a time here. Alright, we've got Mr Anderson, Charlie Robinson, guard Goldsmith, all here to, and, by the way, it wasn't like a lot of advanced notice. So thanks, gentlemen, for being here. A third hour, the David night show. I've I've not even really plugged the entire time. We're in the third hour. It's been a guard Goldsmiths came in early, made radio easy. Then I got Don Jeffries. How can you not make radio or podcasting easier than that? You got Don. So we're in the third hour. I Like we got some great subject matter. But I want to introduce I'm a little brother, mr Anderson, if you want to know what what he does at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. You know when they asked where the Ark of the Covenant went and it says being examined by top men. That's what he is, it's easy, it's being examined by top men. So welcome. Welcome to the David night show, mr.
Speaker 6:Yeah, let's go with that. Hey, tony, how you doing buddy.
Speaker 3:Good to see you, my friend. Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for coming on. This article we're gonna discuss I thought it was. It has so much done pack, so we're gonna get to Charlie Robinson. Thanks for being here as well. Author of the octopus of global control, the controlled demolition of the American Empire, macroaggressions podcast and the hardest working man and alternative media. Good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 2:Good to see you too, as, as they say in Raiders of the Lost Ark, it's not the years, it's the mileage.
Speaker 3:I always feel like in somehow in this life I'm just Indiana Jones trying to get the, the idol, to have the the same weight as the bag of sand doesn't act quite right. You know, I'm just. I'm just trying to make my life work that way. Guard, thanks for coming back in the third hour, and let me so to the best of my ability. I'm my own producer. I don't have a Travis Knight here, but let me click this article and try to get it to feed into the stream one second, but we're gonna go over.
Speaker 3:I saw this yesterday or two days ago and I thought this is, this is a phenomenon We've got. Gen Z is Reading the bin Laden letter. Okay, so a lot to unpack there to begin with, but this is the Again tip-talk, all the things that Nikki Haley hates. This is the Daily Mail. Let me pull this up. So Daily Mail, one in five Americans and the young Americans has a positive view of Osama bin Laden. Disturbing, sorry, I don't know why this is coming up. Well, I lost. I lost the feed. Well, let me put it back. Give me a second, I'll put it back up. But Gen Z is Reading the bin Laden letter, right? I've got questions about that in and of itself, but what this is is you've got it. This new generation is stumbling upon a phenomenon known as blowback and rationalizing the actions of the so-called 9-11 hijackers and the the terror plot because of our involvement in the Middle East, and so on and so forth. If you read the bin Laden letter, well, it's interesting that this is even a headline, because there's something going on here and I want to To unpack what could be causing this right now, when we have it's 9-11.
Speaker 3:And I was part of, you know, the first Army company on the ground in Kandahar, afghanistan, following 9-11, and then again I was in the tail end the invasion of Iraq, so I had a front row seat to the geopolitics that were the out in the aftermath and I learned a lot about it. I learned a lot about, you know, the different belief structures and who does what, and you know I worked with the intelligence communities and what they were seeing there on the ground and what they were talking about. But I've had questions ever since Because, if you notice, there was this time when it was like we're in the battle of civilizations and it's good versus evil and we're gonna democratize mankind and all this stuff and all of a sudden, one day it just went away and I thought that's not how Classes of civilizations work, you know, and if you go back and you look at Syria, in the lead up to that, the deep state for sure wanted to try to drag America into a another Middle Eastern conflict. They just couldn't get the, get it off the ground, they couldn't get the, the public, behind it. They tried several times with with false flags that were clearly like just sloppy the white hats and he's gassing his own people. And this is when I started out in radio and I'm like, clearly, this is a false flag. I mean, can you see that? And the American people, for all their faults, didn't jump. There was, there was the remember, there was the red line that Obama put down. Well, if you folks, if you remember your timeline, right after that you didn't hear much about it. There was the, there was ISIS and the Toyota pickups that we gave them and all the weapons. And you know, hillary Clinton ran in 2016 on bombing and shooting down Russian aircraft. If they try to herd al-Qaeda, that's where we went. But so by 2016, our, the policy of the US government, was to protect al-Qaeda. I don't know if anybody was paying attention, that was the 2016 foreign policy debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. So Al-Qaeda went away and now they're bringing it. They're getting the band back together Because after October 7th.
Speaker 3:So I've been asking the question I go where'd they go? Why is it not a thing? Because we have a wide open. If you want to know, like, was something's real? And I can't wait for you guys to chime in on this, but we've. If you want to know something's real, like COVID 1984. Is it real? Is it the most deadly thing that ever happened? Is it the most deadly thing that ever? No, because we have a wide open border. Is terrorism real? Yeah, probably, when we fund it. And, of course, if you go over to somebody's you know where they live and occupy it, you're going to get shot at and blown up. There's things are going to happen. That's real, but we have a wide open border. So you know, jim mars brought that up for years and years. You, that's kind of the tell, so I'd ask where it went.
Speaker 3:So now I'm seeing these stories. I'm going to see if I can pull it back. I'm having trouble with my Uh being my own. I'm going to fire myself as my own producer. I know you guys had a chance to to read the article. Um, charlie, I'll throw it to you first. What were your thoughts on this as a phenomenon going on with young people and the song been laudan? I mean, what's you know? Unpack this for me. What am I looking at?
Speaker 2:I can't wait till isis gets out of the studio and drops their new album. It's gonna be the fast, it's good, they might even they might even be the bomb. They say this is just waiting till these kids get to bill cooper's work. You know what I mean. You can watch them like going through. They're like, oh, look at this, been laudan letter and everything. You're like keep going, yeah, keep going. You're almost there, you're almost to the good part. It's, it's um, it's hilarious and terrifying all at the same time.
Speaker 2:Because because, again, like I like the fact that they're not getting their news from the mainstream media but they're getting it from a source that's, that also is equally ripe for manipulation and and praying on their emotions and and in giving them 95 truth with 5 lies and all that's, all those tricks, that that that they use on us to to convince people to feel a certain way about things. Um, it's interesting that they're. You know, you, I want to like Interject into this whole conversation with these, with, uh, with the kids that are that are reading about bin laden, and say like, okay, like, here's a little footnote as well like remember, we used to call him tim osman when he worked for the cia. We did that for 20 years. He was one of our guys. So, like that's information that you probably need to know, and the toroborra caves and all that nonsense you know you probably like it would have helped.
Speaker 2:It's very helpful to be alive during that event because you, in retrospect, you look back and you go oh yeah, I do remember that that is crazy, you know, you think you, you think you've got thoughts on Osama bin Laden. All your new generation, that's great let's. We can, we can explore that. But also just remember that the mainstream media told you that a passport From a hijacker was found at the foot of an fbi agent, blocks from the crime scene, if you can believe that, as garak utley had to Uh preface because he could barely believe that the words were coming out of his mouth. So there's a lot that gets lost just over the years. I'm sure that the the same has happened to me looking back on the kennedy assassination, because I wasn't there and I wasn't alive, you know.
Speaker 2:And so the new generation Re-examining 9-11 good, I guess I I'm on all for them examining 9-11, but only if they do so with some better source material. So we know that the mainstream media is totally corrupt, but you know, I don't know that tiktok is much better. So so again, like I'm, on the one hand, I'm I'm glad that they're Re-assessing things, but I would love to be In the room to kind of say, oh, that's propaganda, hang on a second. That's stuff that you're you're talking about right now. That's Straight-up propaganda and lies. You're close, but here's where you know, I'd love to kind of guide the process, but you know, we don't really get that. That luxury it's, it's, it's hilarious to me, though, also like the, the, the side of me that finds the humor and all of this, like the people these kids are like, well, actually, osama bin Laden was a great guy and you're just like, this is so this is get, get your popcorn. The 2024 is going to be wild.
Speaker 3:Like you mentioned it, like it, can you imagine, they come across the audio recording of bill cooper and I, charlie and I both spoke at uh free world nyc in new york city, you know, pretty much on the anniversary of of 9 11, just talking about the event and I reference bill cooper because it's one of the things that and I've, you know, talked with billy ray valentine, who just joined us by the way, he's hanging out. He's going to be part of the panel. It's good to see, it's good to see brv. You know, thinking about him telling his audience in june of 2001 that there's going to be a Major terror event, there's going to be a, a cataclysmic terror event. Now it's going to be blamed on Osama bin Laden, and don't you even believe it? I mean, this is a guy in his eager arizona, you know his upstairs in his home studio Telling you how this works and how that the cia had recruited Osama bin Laden and trained him and funded him, and they know exactly where he is and that you know cnn can somehow find him and do an interview, but the fbi and the cia and military intelligence, and supposedly he's an enemy of israel and he's saying he's going to attack, but why doesn't israel take him out? There's all these open questions. And then who is he?
Speaker 3:Um matter of fact, there's an article up I thought this was Pretty apropos. There's an article up on lu rockwell dot com, a great site for articles and libertarian thought, and it says is al-qaeda an existential threat? And what is the meaning of al-qaeda in arabic? And you know what it is. The meaning means that it means doesn't mean the base, which is what we were told by the media. Like they just sprung up and it's this shadowy, you know, group that just wants to kill us for our freedom, you know. And, by the way, if they hate us for our freedom, can we just be friends now, since we know happening left?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, they don't, they want to kill us for our freedom.
Speaker 3:But it doesn't mean that folks, it doesn't mean the base, it means the database. It was the database set up by the central intelligence agency for the musha hadine and the holy war, the holy warriors, the fighters against the soviet union, after the soviet union invaded afghanistan, and they knew that they anticipated the soviet union invading afghanistan is one of the reasons why you, charlie, mentioned the name tim osmond. That was the soma bin laden's codename and he was brought in in 1979, I, I know, when the soviets invaded afghanistan, because that's the day I was born. So I mean, they, they were talking to him, there was, I just had a birthday, it was december 26th. They, they, they, they already had that in the works to resist the soviet invasions. They were anticipating this.
Speaker 3:So it's not in these surface level things are not exactly what and the kids are stumbling across them. I personally think and I'm gonna throw it to mr Andersen I personally think that these type of pop culture cul-de-sacs, they're, I think they're creating a database, uh, of gen zers and tick talkers and all these other. They want to see who subscribes to this belief system, because I think they're actually doing some data mining right now. Um, if you know Anything about simulations, the pentagon two or three years ago ran a, a war simulation against a generation z bitcoin result. So what's the pentagon have to do with currency, everything? Anyway, I'm gonna throw, mr Andersen, what were you any thoughts on this being some sort of like trial balloon and they put out, for you know they want to see, test the mood of younger people, or tick-tock people, what, what do you think, my friend?
Speaker 6:Yeah, I'm kind of not in that sphere of influence, but it seemed right from the outset to me it's somewhat of a limited survey. It looked like only a thousand people. But I was annoyed from right from the outset because this is just going to give People like ben Shapiro more ammunition to practices angry auctioneer cadence and mark levin to start yelling Ah, shut up, yeah, right, yeah. So there's reasons I don't listen to them anymore. Um, but yeah, I really don't engage in conversations with people who don't even have Anything more than surface level details.
Speaker 6:I've had to come to that agreement with myself to avoid a lot of irritation. I mean, I would imagine these people who answered that way in the survey have no idea about that building, that wonder woman and her jet hit on the same day that collapsed, and so I would really liked I would really like to see how the questions were framed and if I could add some other questions to the survey like that. So I agree with you, tony. We were discussing about it. You brought up something I didn't know the other evening about. There was apparently a A memo the white house sent out right about which of these psyops are real. We don't even know anymore.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's recent. Yeah, the in the last year or so the executive branch put out a memorandum to In the all agencies in the periphery of the executive To report on what psyops they were running, because, new, no one knew exactly what was real. There's so many psyops that folks you can look it up they. They wanted to. They wanted to try to figure out what was actually real or not because they were running so many simultaneous psyops and they got away from them. I like the invisible plane reference. That's very good. I have not thought of that before. It's the meme where the little spider-man's pointing at each other.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yes, yes. That's exactly what I thought of charlie last night.
Speaker 3:Well, guard, uh, you know you, uh, you and I talked off air before we went live today. I kind of mentioned this article and I David's, I believe, spoken about. There's something weird with it. Like they, it makes headlines, um, especially after october 7th, you know we're they're getting the band back together. We're hearing about al-qaeda, you know billy ray has mentioned this to me many times about. You know, after trump had, uh, a salamani Killed, yeah, there was a. There was hashtag, war, war three, the, the iranian general. You know they killed in iraq and there was something On the horizon with another conflict and then that kind of got buried and billy's been mentioned. They're gonna bring that back. They're gonna bring that back, you know, and I've been waiting for it because I wonder what would they use for the opportunity?
Speaker 3:This seems to be sneaking it in, kind of putting it back into the, the consciousness, and this is something that bill cooper talked about in his 2001 broadcast. He's like they're getting him ready for his close-up. Like they're they're showing you the image of isama bin laden doing these, you know, these fake interviews, like cnn, and Supposedly they can find him, but the intelligence community can't all this stuff and he's he's the enemy of america? It is. There's something with this. I think that goes along with not just the the gullibility of younger people, but the fact that they won't research a little bit further. Um, but there's something else to it. Guard, what do you think this is? Is this some kind of? Does the exact branch need to rain this off into?
Speaker 4:it was interesting because that poll is is quite a reminder. It follows up on my initial bust was wow, you know, this seems to be spontaneous. It's coming out of, you know, things like tick tock and people are spreading these things around. And again, you know, we, brent, mentioned nicky hailey to stay off a tick tock because you're gonna turn into a nazi, you know, oh, my gosh, but Uh, but oh, by the way, I hear that even though wonder woman lost her invisible jet in 9, 11, uh, she's gonna have a new one to be able to fly to cop 29 privately. So it'll be totally cool, totally for the climate. Everything's thumbs up. Awesome, you know, but uh, anyway, it's just so they can gin up more fear, you know, but, um, I, and looking back at it, it does seem kind of strange and uh, we know that so often the, these forces that have these long-term plans, they have to probe, they have to test and find out where the film is strongest in opposition and where it is most, um, most malleable. And so it definitely could be something where, even though I think the bin Laden document is a real document and does actually show what he thinks, maybe even that isn't real. I don't know, but I do think it is and I the the logic behind the actual bin Laden thing.
Speaker 4:Whether it's real or not real, I start to think to myself Okay, look, we know that in inside the bin Laden document he talks about, basically he's he's giving the argument for blowback and he's saying look, we're doing this not because we hate McDonald's, not because we don't like Playboy magazine, but because of what is going on in the United States policies here for decades. And we're going after you and, just like you've been sold this, this tom foolery of this is your government, we are now also agreeing with that. So we're going to attack civilians. Uh, you know where the line is there and how closely he was working with the cia, and. But this is the thing. If that is a false narrative that someone is putting out, then that actually runs counter to what Wesley Clark was discussing in On democracy now, when he was saying Look, I found out they want to topple these seven nations. They want to eventually go after Iran, which is what they're trying to do now.
Speaker 4:So I tend to think, as some of the other people, as I mentioned, the Times Square Bomber said the same thing when he was, when he was Sentenced and asked how he pled. So we know that there is a such a thing as blowback. One of the most trustworthy guys out there, ron Paul, has talked about that. We know when you're blowing up wedding parties or soccer players in Yemen or little kids, or extrajudicial murders of Americans overseas as well. We know that there's going to be maybe, uh, some people who are connected to those who don't quite like that.
Speaker 4:So I think the the arguments that were presented in the bin Laden Bin Laden letter Are probably authentic, but when did it come from In in this sudden way? Was it? Was it artificial? It's very tough to tell, and that's where I sort of I I just can't figure that out. If it was done artificially, why would they put that information out there and get all these people now exposed to an argument that runs counter to their long-term Goals, unless they've got some other long-term goals or, as you say, they're probing Because they thought it would be discovered eventually. So why don't we put it out now? I just don't know.
Speaker 3:Is perhaps data mining and there seems to be like a resurgence of trying to reset the table again to a a Middle-eastern Focus foreign policy again, especially as the dollar wanes. I just read, you know, we read the article earlier today about Russia In Iran officially dumping all ties to the dollars as part of de-dollarization. That's happening. You need to go back to Wesley Clark. General Wesley Clark, that was a supreme commander of NATO up, you know, and During mr Clinton's a Kosovo war, another one, another one of my foreign wars, I had a front row seat too and he got to. He went to the Pentagon after he retired, after 9, 11, and they said we're gonna hit seven Countries in five years. This is always. There's been some you know this the the strategy of controlling trade and oil and of course there's there's the political aspect of the Israeli lobby in our foreign policy as well and how much we get involved there. So I think they're, I think they're resetting the the table and I think they're also data mining. I think they're. They realize that the country is not the same. You couldn't do the same things that you're talking about galvanizing Popular sentiment. It would have to be Cataclysmic, on a level we've never seen before, to even get close to those type of numbers, to to justify Everything that happened post 9 11. So to me, they're doing something, and they're, of course, they're controlling the narrative as well, um, because I mean, if you can keep it focused on, well, that's why terrorism happens and not not the fact that it's. You know, 9, 11 was something other than what they said it was. I mean, charlie mentioned earlier, they find the uh, the hijackers passport in the rubble. You know, jet fuel somehow Breaks the laws of physics and melt steel, but it can't melt a passport. I mean, come on, I mean it's like this is the stuff they expect you to believe, or that. You know there's, uh, like mr Anderson said, a wonder woman's plane hits the third building. That collapses Symmetrically into its own footprint. You know, I mean, you got to buy that somehow. So there's, I think there's a lot with this. So there's, these are the little things that I pick up on. Then I think these are going to be things to watch like. This is they're definitely building a new narrative, they're Getting the band back together. You're starting to hear things about terrorism again. They're getting worried again, uh, worried, um, you know they're starting to. They're gonna? Are they going to bring back the color coding? Uh, billy Ray Valentine, are they going to bring back? Uh, you know the, the levels that? What is it? Tom ridge? Remember tom ridge 2000? Uh, and Three or so ahead of the, the newly formed department of homeland security, was governor of pennsylvania and he's got you color coded.
Speaker 3:So if you, if it's red, then you got to be really scared. Orange, not so much yellow, I don't know, yellow, maybe it's. Uh, you got. You got to check your phone. Make sure that no headlines have changed. Where you know, keep your gas masks within reach. Or are you, uh, are you color coding your fear, billy ray?
Speaker 1:How are they going to, um, to make this happen with your neural link is more, more of an important point to me. They're they're getting rid of, uh, of cell phones. They've already started talking about what's the next phase, uh, what's the next phase in wearables? How are we going to do this? Because we don't want to carry around cell phones anymore, so they're probably being the color right into your, your dreams, and when you wake up, you know where you're at.
Speaker 1:As far as, uh, these attacks go or whatever they're trying to say, listen, um, this story Brings up a lot of several different points that I want to make, in particular, the most important one. I just think this is part of fourth generation warfare. This is aimed to confuse Psyops upon psyops, upon psyops. Right, I'm not saying that it is a psyop, but I don't know, and that is, uh, the point of all of this. Right, it was a, a young lady that put it out on tiktok and, um, that's the genius of tiktok, right, you can put out a video for 30 seconds and if it's a cute girl and it's produced the right way, people are gonna watch and and they're not gonna question, really, they're gonna. Oh, my god, that's what it said and they're gonna keep moving. They're not gonna go research it, they don't care and they don't have any prior knowledge of what came before. They really don't know the narrative of 9 11. They don't know what happened. They don't know three buildings fell. They don't know any of that. They may not know that two buildings fell, right, you can ask people walking the street nowadays what happened on 9-11. They might not be able to tell you if they're off of a certain age, right, so they see videos like this and they take it as gospel. But also, it's important to realize that there have been psyops that have been run on the people of America and the people of the world throughout social media for quite some time now.
Speaker 1:So, to put out, so, first off, I have a hard time believing this poll personally. Is it out of the realm of possibility? No, it's not. I just have a hard time believing it, for whatever reason. But let's put that. Putting that aside, let's say that this is true and that these kids believe this stuff. Gen Z, they believe this stuff.
Speaker 1:There's a couple of reasons why it came out right now. It came out now in part because of what's going on in the Middle East Right and the sentiments of most young Americans are anti-the Israeli government, not necessarily anti-Israel Right. They're giving Biden incredible pushback, right to the point that he has to make some changes and try to appease these people, because they're like listen, what's going on over there, knock it off, right, let's do something about this. So it's very opportunistic in my opinion and that's why I would suspect something like a PSYOP here that this video was inserted into TikTok, where young people watch, they look, they consume, they don't analyze, they just consume and keep it moving and that becomes their reality. Whatever they are told for those 30 seconds becomes their reality.
Speaker 1:There are a few from that group that will actually go and investigate 1% maybe that carry enough to investigate. And that is the problem. This is the mind control, and it will continue to get worse because the people know less and less as generations continue, and this is the way we've been bred. I am no exception. I just happened to be born before the social media age, so I know a little bit more than they do, right, but I don't know as much as Tony does on things like this. Tony is a rare breed on things like this. Guard, you know, charlie, mr Anderson, god bless, how are you?
Speaker 6:Yeah, don't put me in there.
Speaker 1:Right, you know, but, but I know more than than most people that that were born after me by default, right, but, but I understand how this works, right?
Speaker 1:So every generation that comes afterwards just knows more more, knows less by default and is less interested by default, right it is. It is an attention deficit issue and and a dumbing down to deliberately deliberate dumbing down of the people, and that's what I think is going on here, and I think it's fourth generation warfare, fifth generation warfare. It is a sigh out and we need to all be aware of this and try to try to instruct our kids, you know, sit them down and let them know what's going on and and if they come across this stuff and they will inevitably come across things like this and believe it because they mean that it's, it's just the way it is we have to, like, try to give them all the information, hope that they make up their own minds and have intelligent rationales behind their way, their frame of thinking, but I think that's the best we can do right now. This is very, very, very complicated and we don't know what's real and what's not anymore.
Speaker 3:Well, here's an open question Was this inserted by intelligence as a poison pill, as a virus to kill? Tick tock? Is it to say, oh, they're radicalizing the youth? Hey, that's the oldest like trick that the establishment uses to get rid of anybody thinking that's what they. That's the excuse they use to kill Socrates. He said he's corrupting the youth.
Speaker 1:If I may, and then I'll throw it to everybody else. They've let tick tock and Instagram and and and another platforms like it be the Wild West that YouTube used to be. They've let this happen. They've been going after tick tock. For how long? Because of the Chinese thing or whatever that it's a Chinese company and all this other stuff and their spine on Americans.
Speaker 1:But they allow all of this stuff to go on because they want these people to know whatever, whatever's being put out, they want to colonize the minds of the young kids. That's what they want to do. Otherwise they would have shut this down already. Eventually they're going to. Eventually they'll be the restrictions that they put on a YouTube, on a tick tock and on Instagram and on Apple podcast, all of these things. That's going to happen, but right now you could say that they're turning a blind eye, but we know better than that.
Speaker 1:You know, if they've shut down YouTube, what's that? Our free speech anyway on YouTube. If they, if they stopped any rational not rat, let me say if they stop people from actually giving their thoughts, whatever doesn't fit the mainstream narrative, if they've stopped that on YouTube, why haven't they stopped it on everything else? And this is a worldwide thing, by the way. Okay, why haven't they stopped it on the other platforms? This is on purpose, in my opinion, and they will. They will censor all of this, but just not, not yet, because their goals haven't been completed, whatever those goals are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you go back something David talks about all the time. It was August 6, 2018, the, the, the real collusion between the big tech censorship, starting with info wars. But they followed in the, in the, the later in the month with 800 other sites that weren't necessarily to the right or sharing much in common with them for words, except one thing, and they were. They were anti and skip their anti surveillance, state authoritarianism, military industrial complex. They were skeptical of the of the warfare state.
Speaker 4:And I was simultaneous to the proper not thing that came out later, where there was propaganda or not, was this organization, I think, tied to a lot of the left wing, soros type money and pedestrian type people as well?
Speaker 3:Yes, and that's that's a common theme and it was so. Billy was mentioning the. You know, you got you got tick talking. It's still the Wild West in so many ways. Do they do the same thing that they did with you? They got you on these platforms. Then you start talking, then you start freely expressing yourself. Then you, you know, you create a handle that expresses those views. Then they have all your data and then they just curate, like Tim, like Tim Cook says right, we're going to curate, we're going to curate the experience. So basically, they get everybody over there. This is the truth, you get on it, and then they just remove these accounts. So then they control the narrative. It's kind of like a keto, right, you use the other person's momentum against themselves, very counterintuitive. Plus they you know they can allow these things to be said. They go oh, that was radical, you realize they radicalized the youth. So I don't, I'm thinking bigger pick. When I see headlines like this is where my brain goes. Like there's doing this isn't. This is a message.
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Speaker 6:I'm scraping the barrel right now. No, I agreed with your points, tony, and I just came keep coming back to this idea of why do they care so much to be more than indifferent indifferent to this topic? And I imagine they don't have all the information, or a lot of the information we have, which is an assumption of mine. But my mind goes off and says I doubt they know about the Belford declaration that was issued in 1917, which is a public statement regarding the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine then, which was an Ottoman region, which had a Jewish minority. And I bet they don't know that that was issued to Lord Ross child, right, lord Ross child, who went to Cambridge at the same time what you know it as Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 6:Then Alistair Crowley is a topic of a very interesting book by William Ramsey and how he relates to 9 11 in the New World Order. So it just all comes full circle to me. So I think in general you're right. It just seems like a Psyop, like if I can give you minimum information, can I still change your opinions in such a severe way that you take this position even though you don't have the full information?
Speaker 3:So I like bringing the Belford decoration and we're getting, we're getting serious on our history here, Mr Anderson. You can find Mr Anderson as a co-host.
Speaker 6:I had to do a plug for William Ramsey, you know well, he just deserving one.
Speaker 3:If I'd have done, if I'd have hosted two days, I'd have had him on. I talked to him about coming next time. I will bring William Ramsey on folks. I just didn't have enough notice for him. Yeah, great, great points, though, and some good history. That's, this is, this is. It's the history you don't know. There's nothing new under the sun except the history you don't know to to channel the 33rd president of the United States, harry Truman, charlie, any, any, any final thoughts on on this topic, and maybe we'll do a little round robin here to round out the show.
Speaker 2:I'm still hung up on the fact that you are the Ron Popeel of gold and silver. The set it and forget it, just waiting for your pocket fishermen.
Speaker 3:I you know this is a well, guy, just for the record, the sham, wow. Precious metals.
Speaker 2:This brings me back to Yuri Besman, of course, and in this concept of ideological subversion and how it's a process and how it takes 20 years in its cumulative, and you wonder about all this stuff, how this next generation is being educated or miseducated or diseducated. However you want to look at it, and this is all kind of part of it, the new tech version of this and and it starts to, it makes me think like this is the softening up of the minds of an entire generation, tick, tock generation now. And if you give it 20 years and then another five years of destruction, and then you add a six week crisis, you break the brains of these people and you send them off into what he describes as north, the fourth stage, normalization, and so it's interesting to watch it. I mean it's, it's scary and and hilarious and all those things too, but from like a, like a, like a guy with a clipboard and a white lab coat me just kind of watching this going. Oh, I see where you guys are going with this is we're still in the ideological subversion of this group. Great, okay, great, get them to believe nonsense, and okay, yeah, and then, and like you said, it'll just kind of disappear, right, we don't know the criteria necessarily.
Speaker 2:You mentioned 1000 people here. From that. That's nothing. So you've got to talk, right, you can't you reach like a million people. Can we do this with a million people? Do a million people think this? So it's, it feels artificial, like it's made to have. It feels like they're testing to see what I mean. Obviously, we know it got into the news cycle. If it got into the news cycle by default, there's something wrong with it. So it feels very, very made to happen. Let's see what the results are to this. But also, tony, to your point, what a perfect cul-de-sac to put some cheese at the end of, lure a bunch of people in and then write down their license plates. You know what I mean. Like, who went for the cheese, all these? Okay, good, good, just make a note of this. Keep an eye on these people in the future.
Speaker 2:So it's, it's sorting. You know you feel like a sorting process of this and you feel intelligence ties to it as well. Like, like Billy said, they want to talk, to go away, they turn the switch. It's a different version of it, but it's serving a purpose right now. It's giving them a lot of information as to who's using it and what their demographic is and how do they think and what do they like. And they're building a digital voodoo doll of all these people on tick tock and elsewhere, of course, not limited to tick tock and they're figuring out, you know, your digital twin.
Speaker 2:What do you like? What are you into? What do you follow? Who are you? Should we be worried about you? Or you? The type of person that's going to write are you the type of person is going to have a problem with the surveillance state? You know so. So it's a good mechanism for them to you know before they turn the switch and make sure that you don't ever see anything of relevancy on tick tock. It's a good way, in the early stages, of gathering information about who is actually consuming this information and then putting them in some sort of matrix where they can be followed for the next generation to see, see what they think, see how they think and what they what they're into. So I don't, you know it. I think, as we all agree, it's multi layered here. There's a lot going on, and to me it feels like some sort of ideological trap that maybe some of these people are walking into that they're going to get themselves on some list that they didn't even know existed. So we'll keep an eye on it.
Speaker 3:We'll see where it goes in the new year and do you see the trend continuing where we're going to be looking at future years having to deal with this state constructed narrative of what terrorism is? Do you think we're going to bring this back?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it feels like I mean the. We're already starting to see the. The labeling of the largest threat to America is white national domestic terrorism, right, and, and and. So that terrorism catch all term has been very successful for a long, long time, but now, unfortunately, it's now taking on more of a legal definition. Now, if you're legally defined as being a terrorist, you are now a terrorist operating in the US. You're now a terrorist operating on the homeland, and the homeland is a battlefield, and now you have no rights. So again, it's all fun in games when you're slurring and calling Trump a terrorist or calling your neighbor a terrorist or or whatever, but there's also a legal component to this as well, and you get that domestic terrorist label slapped on you. Legally, you have no rights anymore. Good, good luck. You're. You know you disappear.
Speaker 2:So I think that this is a. This is a term, this terrorism. It's so broad that it can be applied to all kinds of things. It's the perfect sort of apparatus for the state to use to go after people. That can just mold it like silly petty to whatever they want it to fit. They want it to fit you, it'll fit. It'll fit describing you, as long as we just go back through your TikTok viewing history in your Facebook posts and your Twitter feed and we find out. We build a case retroactively, like Snowden talked about, to see what you were talking about in the past and then that bolsters the case that they're making that you are now legally a domestic terrorist. Of course you are. Look at all these things that you said about the government back in 2019.
Speaker 3:Amazing Folks. You're watching someone who's had very much mastered their craft. This is Charlie Robinson. I have the pleasure of talking to this gentleman often. He's got a great show called Macro Aggressions and I love that breakdown. What do you, what do you call five conspiracies here to get together on a live panel? What is that the news? Is that what the news?
Speaker 2:My target.
Speaker 3:Thanks so much for that analysis, Charlie, Very smart as always. Guard. Final thoughts on this as we kareen into the last hour of the last show of the David Knight show of 2023.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it's so great to be here all with you guys, and I think what we would call it is non existent in the eyes of the CIA. So let's just keep that in mind. We just don't exist, but or maybe we all are. If I may, may I pose a question to you all to see, because I've been sort of you know, I've been ruminating on this, letting the, letting the fruit stew in my head the fruiting bodies, the fungi. What if the release of the bin Laden document, or the promotion of this, was done as a way to to, within the larger narrative book, to turn to a new chapter In the narrative of switching things over to labeling everyone an anti-Semite? Now you are suddenly affected by the bin Laden document. This large percentage of Gen Z years suddenly are praising a hero of bin Laden. Well, you don't have to call him a hero, you just say what? Did his argument actually contain any valid points? What did what did you discover? That very terminology itself is pretty darn weighted. But then we see with what hacked in on October 7th and did his? Did the Israelis know about it? Well, they did have foreign knowledge. Did they know about the date? We don't know.
Speaker 4:But and this is just pure speculation. I could be way off base here, but I do get a sense now just talking with you all. What if this were used to? Now they're no longer. We're not hearing about Black Lives Matter as much. We're not hearing about this. We're not hearing about that. We've got this swing towards, especially with the immigration thing, towards this now international white nationalist United States. And you don't like Israel either. You're anti-Semitic sort of thing, and you read the bin Laden document. So therefore we're going to have to watch out for you. It's the new war on terror and now it's Iran. I just don't know and I'm just throwing out out there because I'm just thinking of my, you know, I'm thinking of myself, obviously, thinking Is that, is that within the realm of possibility, or am I just speculating too much?
Speaker 3:Well, it's very, it's a very powerful weapon. You go back to the Gulf War. Pat Buchanan was on the McLaughlin group and he just happened to mention the fact that you know, if we go to war in the Gulf, it's not going to be, you know, the coastal elites kids. It's going to be people from the heartland. And I think he said it was going to be guys named Leroy Brown and stuff like. It's not going to be you know, some coastal elites kid. And he said the only people that really want this war, the military industrial complex and their amen corner in APAC, which is the American Israeli political action committee, or whatever they are. He was vilified for that.
Speaker 3:That seems quaint now, but that was that was. You know that was the original. Like, oh, you're just anti semantics, that that could blanket term. They use that all the time. Now it's ad nauseam.
Speaker 3:I think it you talk about real blowback. The blowback is they've used that term and they're using it into oblivion. It no longer has really any relevance anymore. It's not even about the true meaning of what's supposed to be anti-semitic. So I think I think you're right, though, gardner.
Speaker 3:I mean it definitely gives them a short term strategy to any, any movement that's anti war or anti state or anti narrative. They can, you know, delegitimize that by calling it anti-semitic and lumping it into one thing and this kind of gets them an early start and they may have run this simulation with the Pentagon Again. I this hasn't been more than two or three years where the Pentagon was concerned and running running a war game against a Gen Z Bitcoin revolt and Gen Z, you know, unplugging. Speaking of unplugging, let's still just, I don't want to not hear what Billy has to say as we, as we close out the last hour, the last show, the last of 2023. Billy Ray, your thoughts, big picture, the PSI op, you pretty much given them. You got anything that that you want to discuss related to this before we close. My friend, I got to turn your mic on bud.
Speaker 1:I'm on. Can you hear you go? All right, Not, pretty much. This is what it is. This is what it is and this is what people need to need to really take seriously.
Speaker 1:There are only two real conspiracies that I can think of. Everything else is utter nonsense. Right and and and I mean it it is utter nonsense. It might it might be surrounded by truth, but most of it is nonsense. But the mind control is real. That is real, and they're doing it through the social media and there's no mistake.
Speaker 1:I do think I forget who mentioned it on the panel, but I do think this is going to go away, as this bin Laden story itself. I think it'll. It'll play its part and run and go away largely, but it does play into a larger arena where younger people are changing the way they think and the culture creators, the people who wage fifth generation warfare on us, right, they're very aware of how to manipulate those minds and how to colonize those minds through social media. That is mind control. If people think of mind control as sitting on a chair and and having a pendulum swim back and forth in front of their eyes and or being being being taken into some site and then they do a Kanye West on you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, like a mind control comes straight out of your computer. It comes straight out of your cell phone, straight out of your television. That is mind control, and this is what's going on here. Admittedly, it can be proven, and, and and this is what we need to look forward to, and this is what we need to turn our attention to, and, and and zero in on if we're going to make any headway, because it's going to, it's going to become it's already dark, it's going to become even darker, harder and harder to navigate the waters and to see what's real and what's not Right, and to the point that I forget which one I think was you, Tony or Mr Anderson that brought it up that they had to put out a memo to see which, which Cyop was real or not, which is probably a sigh.
Speaker 1:I don't write at this point. It's like what is real? What and why are they doing it? You know, if, if, and what turned me on to it is going back to the, to the 2016 election. How many fake profiles were were were created in order to on Twitter, you know, and on Facebook in order to to a mold of perception and get people to cast their ballots in a particular way, you know, and, and that hasn't changed in my opinion, you know I'm well, it's not. It hasn't changed. It's only going to get worse. It's what I mean. So that's what we need to look forward to in 2024. More of that, and we can't let ourselves be suckered in by it, even though it is incredibly difficult to not be engaged by it and not be brought in by it, because they pull on your emotions. And when they pull on your emotions, they've got you, because your emotions are fully involved in it, and that's it. They've totally got you. So it's very difficult to disengage, but that's it. Tony, here Was he kind of abandoned his post.
Speaker 3:There he is. I had to let my crew and there's, it's about to open here in Branson, so my crew was needing to get let in.
Speaker 3:I agree with you on setting the stage to colonize them. That's what that was. The that's what really grabbed me and you and I, billy I think it was last year at this time where we were on the David night show and we were talking about that famous, infamous really. It was that commercial that was put out by the army psychological operations unit and I think even you use some of that in the free worldfm site where it has a little ghost, the ghost in the machine, right, it's like we can, we create the reality, and that that's that's so important for people to realize. Like you know, think, thinking for yourself. It's something that Lake rape, bill Cooper, said.
Speaker 3:You know over and over it, do your own research. You have to go deeper. You have to think, you know, and step back and look at the big picture and ask yourself am I call? Is my mind colonized? I'm sure it is on many levels. That's why it's so important to have alternative media. And then you know the crew right here look at this, this panel that I'm on right now. What is just an absolute honor the great researchers, rate thinkers, not, not a grifter one here. No, no, anti grifting zone.
Speaker 6:I was thinking, with it being the close of the year, we should end on something positive, motivational, so I was going to run this one by you. I don't know if you've heard it, but it's something like shoot for the moon, because even if you miss, you'll just puncture the projection screen because the earth is flat.
Speaker 3:It inspires all just for a minute, just for one, just for a second. Actually, I thought you were really going to do like water cooler poster in a corporate hell hole. You know, I thought you were really going to do that. I'm going to do a really quick. Folks, just guys on the panel, tell people where they can find you. Mr Anderson doesn't want to be found. You can find him on Peritruster Charlie.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, tell people where they can find the new website is up and running macro aggressionsio. You can go there. You can find all of the information about my show Flashback Friday episode today that went out is where did all the people go? Well, that was the number one downloaded macro aggressions episode of all time. That's a good rabbit hole. If people are interested in doing that, you can follow me on Twitter at macro aggressions. Thanks, tony.
Speaker 4:Love it, guard, go ahead Well. First off, big thanks. I noticed a bunch of people in the Rockfin chat haven't been able to check out Rumble chat, but thanks for all the contributions for the show today. Tony, thanks for letting me join you on this last show of the day, last show of the year, and it's great to be here with all you guys. Folks want to find me Liberty Conspiracy on Rumble and Rockfin Every night six o'clock Eastern and check us out. We're on for about 90 minutes.
Speaker 4:I do my work also for MRCTV a couple videos and three articles a week. Go to MRCTVorg or check out their Rumble, check out their YouTube and then Gardner Goldsmith's Substack. One of the big deals maybe people might like is every Sunday we have the Sunday news assembly and there's at least 20 stories that pertain to Liberty plus a bunch of contextual information that might allow us to take away some longer term learning about freedom, economics, ethics, stuff like that. So that's over at Stubstack and it's Gardner G-A-R, d-n-e-r. So yeah, just visit, say hi, say nigh, whatever you want to say, I'd love to see it and I really, really am so glad to be here with you. Tony and all you find cats says they shuffle us off to prison very soon.
Speaker 3:I want to be in the same FEMA camp. It'll be interesting, Billy Ray, closing thoughts, where they can find you all that good stuff.
Speaker 1:Infinite Fringe on Apple Podcast. Find me there.
Speaker 3:Well, that's very. And he's the host of American Plug folks. You got to find him on Rockfinn, R-O-K-F-I-N dot com. American Plug channel, the Infinite Fringe Podcast. We're going to be putting together a UFO podcast here pretty soon. Mr Anderson will join that. We'll see if we can find some others to join that discussion. That'll be fun. That's Perotruther. You can find me at arderburnnews and, of course, wisewolfgoldandsilvercom, but use davidknightgold.
Speaker 3:Give David the credit. We certainly want to support this magnificent program. David will be back. All new shows, a whole new year. So I want to wish everyone a happy new year. It has been wow. I mean I look back 2023, all the shows I've done over here on the David Knight Show, my own productions and just trying to make sense out of all of this has been an extraordinary task. Luckily, I've got look at the people I can call upon. I'm a very fortunate individual. If I want to find out what's going on, I'm going to play the outro music here. I'm again honored to be here. It's such a great experience. I'll be back, maybe next Thursday. See you all about Bully on Bitcoin. The Apocalypse will talk that with the Great David Knight. All right, happy New Year. Folks Appreciate you. End of transmission.